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OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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> analyst would double-check it Except sometimes they won't, and it'll turn out to be hallucinated info. :(

We went to war in Iraq over hallucinated intel.

Wasn't that "fabricated" (eg a mistake on purpose) rather than "hallucinated"?

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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> It's maybe also that US population tends to underestimate how other people are smart (US-centrism really does exist). They do. > Chinese people are very smart, and there is technically more of them, so I am not surprised that they are releasing amazing open models. They also have an educational system that wastes less talent and have fewer - if any - roadblocks to the will of the party bosses. In a war a dictatorsh…

The biggest problem won’t be AGI. It will be the thousands of shitty AI and ML models which predict things with 99.9% accuracy, meaning people (read judges etc) assume it’s 100% accurate regardless of how often it gets used. Look at the Postmaster General scandal in the UK. Now imagine that in all systems, because AI in inherently statistical in nature.

You don't need AGI to be able to implement abusive policies. But it definitely helps if you want to be able to do it at a scale humanity is not in a position to cope with. Stable dictatorships are a very likely outcome of such technology. Also in places where we currently do not have dictatorships.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Ah yes, the good old argument “humans already do that”. Suppose that’s ok then.

Opposition to measurable improvement in the accidental fatality metric because we can’t step-function to zero in one go, is what’s holding back autonomous driving as well.

Elon doesn't even use his self driving in a one way tunnel that he built. You can hardly blame that on this.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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sounds like nuclear proliferation?

Better to proliferate than let a maniacal despot with a monthly habit of declaring his intent to enslave a thriving liberal democracy from being the only one with power.

We can't let ourselves have mineshaft gap. Like in Dr Strangelove.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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That country was not a "thriving liberal democracy". Unless you count nazi militias as democratic and liberal nowadays. If it werent for the specific nationality the neonazis were shooting at, the water connected alliance would bomb them for being nazis instead.

I was talking about Taiwan. I honestly have no idea to what you’re alluding.

Oh nvm.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Reinstating Altman was all about the money, and so is this.

Or they received a classified briefing showing how far ahead China or other adversaries are in terms of AI for military use and felt obligated to not let the US fall further behind.

Perhaps they were put on a bus, taken to Graceland and met the actual Elvis who is still alive and well sitting around jamming with JFK.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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post #207

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Reinstating Altman was all about the money, and so is this.

I am sure many employees signed the letter out of loyalty. Not sure Altman is being very loyal to them in return.

Persuasion is often a strong skill in managers. Personal motivation absent outside forces has its work cut out for it in corporations.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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It just shows the ‘not for profit’ was just a ploy to sound cool. Really, it should have been ‘only for profit’.

I can guarantee you what Altman will say, are you ready ? We think it’s important the US stays ahead of China and Russia and we believe the benefits will outpace the risks. Ultimately this move will benefit humanity Maybe he’s right, maybe if everyone has killer robots, no he will bother starting war? Who knows? Nobody

Obviously Humanity == USA

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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I don’t see why we should object to equipping our defenses with more advanced technology than those of our adversaries. Maybe forcing vague principles down a company’s throat by a board of uninvolved non-builder types isn’t a strategy for successful internal cultural alignment. The peanut gallery’s objections don’t matter.

sounds like nuclear proliferation?

Sure. I believe the atomic bombs have primarily led to the long peace we enjoy today, relative to the kind of large scale total international wars that preceded their invention.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Peace

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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The military thinks they can predict the outcome of battles using tech. They already do extensive sim-gaming stuff for such, and an LLM would fit into these things nicely enough. Whether it actually adds meaningful value matters much less than whether the people paying for it think it can be made to add meaningful value. The other obvious purpose is propaganda, foreign and domestic.

> The military thinks they can predict the outcome of battles using tech. Ugh. Do they really? Ok, I’m more concerned now. I’m curious where I can find more about the sim-gaming you mentioned. I know there are all kinds of simulators for training as well as wargaming but wasn’t aware of stuff used for modelling outcomes. Then again, I don’t have any involvement with that stuff professionally.

Tom Scott on yt drove a tank simulator.
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