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OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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andrewstuart wrote: post #116

I was brought up in a household that was anti military. Only as an adult was I able to form my own opinion. Without a strong military in the past we would certainly not be here today and without a strong military now, who knows what other nation might decide to attack our sovereignty. It's childish to be anti military - it shows you do not understand the interconnectedness of our society - good and bad.

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Post by gumballindie »

jayGlow wrote: post #133
gumballindie wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine once they hallucinate and attack friendlies. Although if Machine Vision counts as AI then it's already widespread.

human soldiers already do that, if they can get it down to lower levels than humans it would be an improvement.

Ah yes, the good old argument “humans already do that”. Suppose that’s ok then.

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zug_zug wrote: post #103

Slightly off-topic, but it's absolutely shocking to me how quickly OpenAI has managed to do a meteoric PR nosedive. I think within 6 months they've gone from one of the most exciting (yet controversial) non-profits in the world to mistrusted company that it seems most people are rooting against.

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andrewstuart wrote: post #116

I was brought up in a household that was anti military. Only as an adult was I able to form my own opinion. Without a strong military in the past we would certainly not be here today and without a strong military now, who knows what other nation might decide to attack our sovereignty. It's childish to be anti military - it shows you do not understand the interconnectedness of our society - good and bad.

Is it possible for the military to be too "strong"? Each warship, fighter jet, tank, and soldier costs time, money, and effort to produce and maintain.

That a military is necessary for ensuring the security and continuing stability of the US is of little importance when the real issue is based on a tradeoff, an equilibrium. What are we gaining and what are we losing?

The current situation of the military industrial complex is complicated, but it is nevertheless clear that is is extremely inefficient (and thats by design). I'm not sure if incorporating AI tech into the military is going to change this, when the fundamental incentives remain the same.

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Post by jasonladuke0311 »

amrocha wrote: post #148
scottLobster wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a political problem, and requires a political solution.

The political solution is to not partner with the Pentagon

There are a lot of companies that probably don’t have “official” partnerships with the govt but absolutely help them, like every social media company, OS maker, telecom, auto maker, and ISP.

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Post by porkbeer »

binsquare wrote: post #128

They haven't changed their principles page yet: https://openai.com/safety-standards ``` Minimize harm We will build safety into our AI tools where possible, and work hard to aggressively reduce harms posed by the misuse or abuse of our AI tools. ``` And I think they can still do that. If they corner every big usecase while they are the top ai models - they get to set the standard and define safety for all upcoming ai…

'If I don't, someone else will' is one of the most defeatist, morally bankrupt attitudes known to man. But hey, if I don't point out how shady and shitty it is, someone else will.

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Post by davexunit »

ericmay wrote: post #117
zug_zug wrote: post #103

Slightly off-topic, but it's absolutely shocking to me how quickly OpenAI has managed to do a meteoric PR nosedive. I think within 6 months they've gone from one of the most exciting (yet controversial) non-profits in the world to mistrusted company that it seems most people are rooting against.

I personally welcome cooperation with the Pentagon for OpenAI and other American companies. The disdain that seems to infest so many when it comes to working with our national defense organizations is both annoying and bewilderingly naive and that's even when we take into consideration all of the bad things that happen. Strengthening partnerships with our government certainly doesn't make me mistrust OpenAI.

Maybe the disdain is because the US military is actually very very evil?
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