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OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by dogman144 »

AYBABTME wrote: post #61
dogman144 wrote: post #37

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Unless you’re willing to help police or let your kids do it, I wouldn’t be so quick to forget the lessons of armchair patriot’ing wrapped up in saving the world mythologies as to give the US’s international military policy carte blanche, was the main lesson from Iraq. War sucks, but what sucks more is a public giving itself license to disengage bc of an easy moral justification. Approaches like this are why the AUMF…

The US is the most benign empire one could wish for. History makes that plain, and just peeking over the fence at contender's tendencies and track record further reinforces that. Easy moral justification backed by actual moral justification.

Completely misses the point, it displays the same convenient abstraction as OP.

Commentator - great moral justification.

Service member - 20 yrs of deployments in a failed war congress couldn’t be bothered to vote on authorizing, per their constitutional mandate, since the first year of it.

Thanks for standing for the flag at football games though.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

tartuffe78 wrote: post #23
hahnchen wrote: post #5

Important to know: > Anna Makanju, the company’s vice president of global affairs ... added that it will retain its ban on developing weapons

"They are not weapons, they are enhanced tools for war."

"Tools for special military operations". Nobody declares war anymore.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by sebzim4500 »

racketcon2089 wrote: post #66
AYBABTME wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is the most benign empire one could wish for. History makes that plain, and just peeking over the fence at contender's tendencies and track record further reinforces that. Easy moral justification backed by actual moral justification.

Would the abstract "one" you're thinking of happen to be a middle class college educated American who has never been on the receiving end of American benevolence in the form of saturated bombing of civilian areas, nor been at risk of being drafted to fight overseas? Is your point that those people's lives are somehow inherently less valuable or is your point that you're willing to sacrifice as many of them as it take…

>nor been at risk of being drafted to fight overseas?

I doubt there will ever be another draft in the US. As technology becomes more important the priority will be keeping the industrial base running for military R&D and weapon manufacturing, not on having millions of barely trained kids most of which you can't properly equip.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by AYBABTME »

racketcon2089 wrote: post #66
AYBABTME wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is the most benign empire one could wish for. History makes that plain, and just peeking over the fence at contender's tendencies and track record further reinforces that. Easy moral justification backed by actual moral justification.

Would the abstract "one" you're thinking of happen to be a middle class college educated American who has never been on the receiving end of American benevolence in the form of saturated bombing of civilian areas, nor been at risk of being drafted to fight overseas? Is your point that those people's lives are somehow inherently less valuable or is your point that you're willing to sacrifice as many of them as it take…

I'm going to ignore your attempt at ad-hominem because you're far off mark. Anyways: (1) there will be violence and people will suffer from someone else's power (2) you're better off wishing for that power to be as nice as it can be (3) the US has been about as nice as one could wish for, based on historical precedent and what contenders are demonstrating they would do.

Of course the US has done plenty of bad stuff to plenty of people. But you're delusional if you think some alternative power would have been gentler.

I too wish for a world power that never resolves to violence and never does any mistake. I too think that life is valuable everywhere, and that none should be sacrificed. But the real world doesn't yet offer us these circumstances.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by racketcon2089 »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #74
racketcon2089 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would the abstract "one" you're thinking of happen to be a middle class college educated American who has never been on the receiving end of American benevolence in the form of saturated bombing of civilian areas, nor been at risk of being drafted to fight overseas? Is your point that those people's lives are somehow inherently less valuable or is your point that you're willing to sacrifice as many of them as it take…

>nor been at risk of being drafted to fight overseas? I doubt there will ever be another draft in the US. As technology becomes more important the priority will be keeping the industrial base running for military R&D and weapon manufacturing, not on having millions of barely trained kids most of which you can't properly equip.

I can tell you're not in Ukraine or Israel right now. Would you like to know how?

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Post by Waterluvian »

Kerb_ wrote: post #69
FpUser wrote: post #58

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It’s not really about deciding if one trusts the government or not. That’s an oversimplification of one’s civic responsibility to study the issues and make informed decisions. The main harm astroturfing does is convert everything into black and white oversimplifications. It turns people into unthinkers. They pick a side and then act like it’s some sort of battle against the other side.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by AYBABTME »

dogman144 wrote: post #71
AYBABTME wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is the most benign empire one could wish for. History makes that plain, and just peeking over the fence at contender's tendencies and track record further reinforces that. Easy moral justification backed by actual moral justification.

Completely misses the point, it displays the same convenient abstraction as OP. Commentator - great moral justification. Service member - 20 yrs of deployments in a failed war congress couldn’t be bothered to vote on authorizing, per their constitutional mandate, since the first year of it. Thanks for standing for the flag at football games though.

Don't understand what you're saying. I don't do football games and don't stand for flags, but I served abroad in an ultimately pointless multi-decade war. I'm not American.

I still think the world is incredibly lucky that the US has been the dominant power for the last 80y.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

FpUser wrote: post #56
iknowstuff wrote: post #31

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I sure hope so, Russia has 100% been doing it, with multiple documented „botfarms” (more like fake identity verification farms)

Russia also drops people out of the windows. Should we (the supposedly humane West) start doing the same just because they do?

They can do whatever they want to themselves. We are talking about attacking others. You can't ignore direct hit into face.
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