Important to know: > Anna Makanju, the company’s vice president of global affairs ... added that it will retain its ban on developing weapons
Is astroturfing a weapon? It seems like the natural use... To sway opinion in foreign countries.
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#312The second OpenAI stopped being a not for profit it opened itself up to the highest bidder namely the military industrial complex ... this danger motivated it's corporate structure which explicitly detailed it did not wish to be a pawn of big corporations so sad
It just shows the ‘not for profit’ was just a ploy to sound cool. Really, it should have been ‘only for profit’.
I can guarantee you what Altman will say, are you ready ?
We think it’s important the US stays ahead of China and Russia and we believe the benefits will outpace the risks. Ultimately this move will benefit humanity
Maybe he’s right, maybe if everyone has killer robots, no he will bother starting war? Who knows? Nobody
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#313They haven't changed their principles page yet: https://openai.com/safety-standards ``` Minimize harm We will build safety into our AI tools where possible, and work hard to aggressively reduce harms posed by the misuse or abuse of our AI tools. ``` And I think they can still do that. If they corner every big usecase while they are the top ai models - they get to set the standard and define safety for all upcoming ai…
> If not openai, it would have been some other company... This does not justify anything and never has. I'm not even saying that what OpenAI is doing is bad (I don't think it's inherently bad to work with the military). But if one believes that it is bad, then "well someone was going to do it so it may as well be them" doesn't remotely hold water.
If someone was going to do it, wouldn't you choose to have some control rather than let someone else (a possibly worse option) at the wheels?
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#314Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hard to say why it was downvoted but I can say it’s a highly unlikely scenario. You typically need a security clearance to view classified info. Further, many employees at OpenAI may not even be US citizens, and even if they are, many others aren’t super enthusiastic about giving the Pentagon new toys to use.
OpenAI had/has 57 Chinese talent [1], they're probably getting the boot if OpenAI picks up Pentagon contracts. https://macropolo2.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/20...
For dual-use tech, its relatively common to have a small "government" division alongside the much larger commercial division. If the only difference for government is fine tuning data/DoD servers - it shouldn't cost OpenAI much to support.
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#316Earlier quoted context omitted.
> No, we just have a different perspective. USA is the bully, not the rest of the world. There is no question that the US has acted like a bully in Southern America, but you ignore that other countries have acted the same way in other parts of the world[1], and with far more disastrous results[2]. If you want to dig into records, then the ground under my feet has seen a Russian invasion roughly every 50 years for as…
> There is no question that the US has acted like a bully in Southern America, but you ignore that other countries have acted the same way in other parts of the world[1], and with far more disastrous results[2]. No. The argument is not that having some other country as hegemon would be better than the US. The argument is that any single country being overly powerful is a negative, and a more multipolar would would be…
> The argument is that any single country being overly powerful is a negative, and a more multipolar would would be healthier.
I don't find that convincing, given that the main claimants to this "multipolar world" are totalitarian dictatorships.
> Russia has spent the past year failing to conquer a country of 40 million, without any involvement from those missile silos. If they tried to invade Poland or Finland they would crumble even quicker.
This is not a view shared by any experts on the ground. Russia still maintains enough potential to cause immense damage to Poland, Finland, and all other of its neighbours, even if they ultimately lose. Rebuilding Ukraine will take many decades and countless billions, and the vast areas Russians have mined will take many centuries to clear. The mines will maim and kill tens of thousands of people - some of who haven't even been born yet - long after the war has ended.
> The only countries with a legitimate fear of a Russian invasion are the same countries who have shown zero willingness to protect other people's "freedom to speak their language and practice their culture" when it comes to Russian people living within their (present) borders.
This is complete bullshit, straight from Russian propaganda. Human rights are protected in Europe better than anywhere else in the world, and particularly well in places like Finland and Sweden that are rushing to prepare for war with Russia.
Please do tell where Russia stands in global rankings of human freedom, and where do Finland or Sweden stand.
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#317WOPR
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#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What's so bad about speaking Russian? Forcing Russian language and culture upon conquered nations was and remains one of the main methods of extermination of conquered peoples. There's even a word for it, Russification . Your question is the same as asking what was so bad about "speaking English" in the context of American native population and European settlers. Most of modern-day Russia is a land conquered from n…
Buddy, I'm from South America and I had to learn English and move away from my continent in order to have a chance at a good life. I've already been colonized by the USA. Don't tell me to be thankful because Russian would have been worse.
Nowhere did I tell you to be thankful. But I do find it hypocritical how oblivious and dismissive you are of the similar suffering caused by other countries, in even wider scale, over a longer time, in other parts of the world.
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#319Ok so a few weeks ago, virtually every OpenAi employee signed a letter saying “reinstate Altman or I quit”. Is any OpenAi employee wanting to sign a “don’t use OpenAi for war or I quit”? Or was everyone in on betraying all OpenAi’s founding principles from the start?
I don’t see why we should object to equipping our defenses with more advanced technology than those of our adversaries. Maybe forcing vague principles down a company’s throat by a board of uninvolved non-builder types isn’t a strategy for successful internal cultural alignment.
The peanut gallery’s objections don’t matter.
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#320Ok so a few weeks ago, virtually every OpenAi employee signed a letter saying “reinstate Altman or I quit”. Is any OpenAi employee wanting to sign a “don’t use OpenAi for war or I quit”? Or was everyone in on betraying all OpenAi’s founding principles from the start?
Those deals are not made in one week. Maybe this agreement with the Pentagon has something to do with the drama of a couple of months ago.