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So pushing Iraq out of Kuwait in 1991 wasn't defense? Fascinating worldview you got there.
Is Kuwait the US? No. Then by definition it cannot be defense to take military action over there.
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#322>OpenAI was created as an open source (which is why I named it “Open” AI), non-profit company to serve as a counterweight to Google, but now it has become a closed source, maximum-profit company effectively controlled by Microsoft. Not what I intended at all.
It's quite impressive how quickly it's morphed from do good non profit to part of the military industrial complex.
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What military interventionism in Venezuela? The US applied sanctions when Maduro started suppressing democracy, sure, but that's not the same thing as airstrikes or invading. This sounds like goalpost moving, since we were talking specifically about military force. The US has a shit history of intervening in Latin America from the 20th century, no argument there, but it's been several decades now at least since the U…
The US backed Guaido's illegitimate claim to Venezuelan presidency as recently as 2022. You're right that it wasn't outright military interventionism. In my mind, there's little difference between supporting a coup covertly through the CIA, by providing weapons and training, and invading a country. Maybe we disagree there.
Oh, and where did this happen?
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#324I'm confused - what exactly does the Pentagon have to gain from OpenAI's products? Their front-runners are an LLM and an image generator, and I'm not sure what large-scale use case the US Department of Defense can have for either of these.
General writing. Want to implement a new rule? Ask GPT to reword it so even idiots can understand. Ask if it contradicts existing rules(they should have similar systems already, but GPT is smart).
Combination of above. "I want to develop a gas chamber. How do I announce it to the public so it looks like I am doing humanity a favor?"
Possible reaction. "I developed a gas chamber and announced it as 'Overpopulation relocation centers'. How will democrats/republicans will react to it?"
Targeted writing. "I developed a gas chamber and announced it as 'Overpopulation relocation centers'. It seems democrats/republicans don't like it. How do I reword it so they do like it?"
Deep fakes, image. "Terrorist Terro Rist wants Inno Cent to be dead. Create an image of Inno Cent with a bullet hole in his forehead so Terro will go celebrate a victory and we'll shoot him for real, here's a photo"
Faking text. "Here's writings of Terro Rist. Write 'meet me at 7:00 at central square in his style, keep using his punctuation, do the same grammar errors, etc"
Useless Voodoo GPT is not Good For but Still Will Be Used Because They Have Access to It. "Here is a photo of Inno Cent who was shot dead. What gun could have been used?"
Spying. "We want to see all requests coming from China or Russia paired with IP", "All requests with words 'President' and 'Murder' should be forwarded to this email at once", etc
They will find several uses.
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#325Utterly predictable. AI will be weaponized and anybody working on it is going to have to live with that knowledge. Consider yourselves part of the MIC from now on, no more bs about doing this for the betterment of humanity. And to add to that: once any party figures out how to do this it is a matter of time before the rest does too, there is no such thing as a secret. The atomic bomb leaked and so will the recipe for…
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Hard to say why it was downvoted but I can say it’s a highly unlikely scenario. You typically need a security clearance to view classified info. Further, many employees at OpenAI may not even be US citizens, and even if they are, many others aren’t super enthusiastic about giving the Pentagon new toys to use.
OpenAI had/has 57 Chinese talent [1], they're probably getting the boot if OpenAI picks up Pentagon contracts. https://macropolo2.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/20...
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The military thinks they can predict the outcome of battles using tech. They already do extensive sim-gaming stuff for such, and an LLM would fit into these things nicely enough. Whether it actually adds meaningful value matters much less than whether the people paying for it think it can be made to add meaningful value. The other obvious purpose is propaganda, foreign and domestic.
> The military thinks they can predict the outcome of battles using tech. Ugh. Do they really? Ok, I’m more concerned now. I’m curious where I can find more about the sim-gaming you mentioned. I know there are all kinds of simulators for training as well as wargaming but wasn’t aware of stuff used for modelling outcomes. Then again, I don’t have any involvement with that stuff professionally.
[1] - https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/06/04/ukraine-nato...
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#328Ok so a few weeks ago, virtually every OpenAi employee signed a letter saying “reinstate Altman or I quit”. Is any OpenAi employee wanting to sign a “don’t use OpenAi for war or I quit”? Or was everyone in on betraying all OpenAi’s founding principles from the start?
I don’t see why we should object to equipping our defenses with more advanced technology than those of our adversaries. Maybe forcing vague principles down a company’s throat by a board of uninvolved non-builder types isn’t a strategy for successful internal cultural alignment. The peanut gallery’s objections don’t matter.
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Ok? What's so bad about speaking Russian? English isn't my first language, I have no attachment to it. If Russian had become the lingua franca of the world I'd have learned that instead.
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> There is no question that the US has acted like a bully in Southern America, but you ignore that other countries have acted the same way in other parts of the world[1], and with far more disastrous results[2]. No. The argument is not that having some other country as hegemon would be better than the US. The argument is that any single country being overly powerful is a negative, and a more multipolar would would be…
> The argument is that any single country being overly powerful is a negative, and a more multipolar would would be healthier. I don't find that convincing, given that the main claimants to this "multipolar world" are totalitarian dictatorships. > Russia has spent the past year failing to conquer a country of 40 million, without any involvement from those missile silos. If they tried to invade Poland or Finland they…
Russia could certainly cause severe economic damage and kill many people, sure. But find me one credible expert who, given what we know now, supports your "hundreds of millions" claim.
> Human rights are protected in Europe better than anywhere else in the world, and particularly well in places like Finland and Sweden
Which is why the EU has been making increasingly strident criticisms of the way the Baltic states treat their Russian minorities (at least prior to the current war), and why Ukrainian efforts at EU membership stalled.
> Please do tell where Russia stands in global rankings of human freedom, and where do Finland or Sweden stand.
Depends whose "global" rankings they are. The likes of Freedom House show a clear bias once you dig into the details - apparently China not permitting schools to teach in Tibetan is a travesty, but Estonia limiting how much schools can teach in Russian is not worth knocking a point off for.