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Re: Amazon R&D spending is more than that of all companies and government of France

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Post by cj »

kube-system wrote: post #15
rthkljlkrj wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure. The D in R&D stands for, I imagine, development of the business, whereas the one in software development stands for development of software.

> Research and development is the set of innovative activities undertaken by corporations or governments in developing new services or products, and improving existing ones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_and_development

IRS definition is probably more relevant:

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-regs/research_credit_basic_sec41...

(Not 100% sure this is the most up to date definition but it gives you an idea)

Re: Amazon R&D spending is more than that of all companies and government of France

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Post by albert180 »

GuB-42 wrote: post #12
WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #4

Seems like a giant waste, where is my thorium power plant? where is my new battery tech? where is my fleet of robot farmers?

I don't know about your thorium power plant but Tesla is giving you battery tech, and John Deere (~2B$ in R&D) is essentially giving you a fleet of robot farmers. These are not flying cars, but batteries that are 5 times cheaper in 10 years is impressive. I don't know much about farming but it looks like now, tractors do most of the job, and the guy in the cab is just checking to see if everything goes well. Farmers…

"Tesla Battery Tech" is called Panasonic and CATL Battery Tech

Re: Amazon R&D spending is more than that of all companies and government of France

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Post by xvector »

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #27
xvector wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Section 174 is a harebrained law aimed solely at "punishing" successful engineering companies. It is a Trump-era law designed to appease voters mad at what they view as successful big tech "intelligentsia." It will destroy startup culture. I can't wait until we automate the people cheered this law on, out of a job.

As a software developer I also salute that law, As italian I always voted against governments who wanted to detax r&d, if its done and funded by governments for the collectivity, then it benefits everyone, but if a private company is going to r&d for the benefits of their shareholders, then they can also pay their fair share of taxes instead of leeching from the collectivity I always felt, from outside, that anti tru…

> if a private company is going to r&d for the benefits of their shareholders

What if the R&D is open-sourced?

Or what if the R&D would be for a product genuinely beneficial to people? Think a new drug, or infrastructure like Google Maps, etc.

Re: Amazon R&D spending is more than that of all companies and government of France

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

xvector wrote: post #34
lnxg33k1 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a software developer I also salute that law, As italian I always voted against governments who wanted to detax r&d, if its done and funded by governments for the collectivity, then it benefits everyone, but if a private company is going to r&d for the benefits of their shareholders, then they can also pay their fair share of taxes instead of leeching from the collectivity I always felt, from outside, that anti tru…

> if a private company is going to r&d for the benefits of their shareholders What if the R&D is open-sourced? Or what if the R&D would be for a product genuinely beneficial to people? Think a new drug, or infrastructure like Google Maps, etc.

Those are good points imho, I think If they make a profit with it, then they can also pay for it, its useful for society and society appreciate it with the money they give to it, no reason to pay for it with taxes

Re: Amazon R&D spending is more than that of all companies and government of France

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Post by rthkljlkrj »

kube-system wrote: post #15
rthkljlkrj wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure. The D in R&D stands for, I imagine, development of the business, whereas the one in software development stands for development of software.

> Research and development is the set of innovative activities undertaken by corporations or governments in developing new services or products, and improving existing ones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_and_development

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Re: Amazon R&D spending is more than that of all companies and government of France

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Post by paulryanrogers »

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #27
xvector wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Section 174 is a harebrained law aimed solely at "punishing" successful engineering companies. It is a Trump-era law designed to appease voters mad at what they view as successful big tech "intelligentsia." It will destroy startup culture. I can't wait until we automate the people cheered this law on, out of a job.

As a software developer I also salute that law, As italian I always voted against governments who wanted to detax r&d, if its done and funded by governments for the collectivity, then it benefits everyone, but if a private company is going to r&d for the benefits of their shareholders, then they can also pay their fair share of taxes instead of leeching from the collectivity I always felt, from outside, that anti tru…

> I always felt, from outside, that anti trumpers just are against everything he does with simplistic explanation

Sounds like quite a broad brush. As a former Trump voter (to my shame), I realized he's a broken clock that can be right once in a while; yet still such a profoundly net negative that I'd rather he be in jail than in office.

In particular I'm most against his record of sexual assault, association with predators, peeping at young pageant participants, boasting about such things, bending the law and policy to benefit his friends, praise for despots, his demand for loyalty over talent, and racist commentary.

Re: Amazon R&D spending is more than that of all companies and government of France

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Post by redandblack »

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #2

I suspect its just a tax break related policy, ive been doing the same shit at US companies (still in EU), and some European companies (in EU) and the US one were the only one asking me to file reports for hours classified as R&D, maybe european ones have no incentive to do that Id say, considering that, and considering that for these corps taxes are lava, i’d go to look at incentives on taxes about R&D filing

The department I got hired into my 1st job was called Corporate Research & Development, and reported to Finance

Re: Amazon R&D spending is more than that of all companies and government of France

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Post by notso411 »

ChadMoran wrote: post #30
lnxg33k1 wrote: post #2

I suspect its just a tax break related policy, ive been doing the same shit at US companies (still in EU), and some European companies (in EU) and the US one were the only one asking me to file reports for hours classified as R&D, maybe european ones have no incentive to do that Id say, considering that, and considering that for these corps taxes are lava, i’d go to look at incentives on taxes about R&D filing

CapEx vs OpEx. CapEx can be written off.

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Re: Amazon R&D spending is more than that of all companies and government of France

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Post by kmeisthax »

xvector wrote: post #23
dilyevsky wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Section 174 is about to change that…

Section 174 is a harebrained law aimed solely at "punishing" successful engineering companies. It is a Trump-era law designed to appease voters mad at what they view as successful big tech "intelligentsia." It will destroy startup culture. I can't wait until we automate the people cheered this law on, out of a job.

> I can't wait until we automate the people cheered this law on, out of a job.

If your goal was "foment another wave of far-right nationalism in America", this is a good idea. Judging by the rest of your post, however, I don't think that's what you had in mind.

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