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Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas drilling

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Re: Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas drilling

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Nuclear energy is a little scary to me because I suspect it makes it more economical to build nuclear weapons. -Many more people become atomic experts, and they may be hired by weapons programs in the future. -We will learn how to deal with nuclear materials more efficiently - good for energy, but maybe also good for building weapons. -With more nuclear material being manufactured for energy, will it be easier to hid…

Nuclear weapons have very little to do with nuclear energy.

Can you elaborate on that? Are the processes for making fuel for energy so different from the processes for bomb material that one doesn't help the other at all?

Re: Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas drilling

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Re: Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas drilling

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Pretty sure that's because of flaring excess gas.

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This is an HN comment thread, hence we expect a higher quality of comments than elsewhere on the Internet. Thanks for the links.

The opinion that HN has particularly high quality comments is always surprising to me. Outside of the times where the person commenting is the actual creator of whatever the post is about I've found comments here to be a dumpster fire to the point where I often have fun looking at them specifically because they are often so wild and I love a good mess. I assume people here will disagree but it's that exact stark diff…

I agree with everything you said, yet I still believe HN comments are regularly the most high quality on the internet. Do you know anywhere that has better comments than HN?

Re: Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas drilling

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Elaborate. Haven’t stood next to either. My curiosity is piqued. What should I be expecting when I find myself so lucky?

For my taste - wind turbines are disgusting. A blight on the landscape for minimal benefit compared to other energy sources. Give me 1000’s of acres of solar vs 100 acres of wind farm. If you have to live close to them - they never go away… everywhere you look, giant white (why are they white anyway? Why not sky blue?) Not to mention the nighttime visual pollution. Drive into Rockport, TX after dark and its endless s…

> That just my view of the aesthetics…

As wind turbines aren't a very rare sight, I think it's reasonable to assume that most have already seen a wind farm in person. Newer generations in Germany also only flash when planes are nearby.

> Nobody ever bothers to talk about what will be done with these football field sized blades (I’m guessing at least 100k of them by now?) when they’re decommissioned?

At least I've seen a lot of talk about it, most of it ending in "we're trying to reuse them for something else with mixed success" or "recycling is possible, but not yet done on a large scale, but we hope it'll increase".

> do you think any of the companies who signed these 30 year leases will be around to de-com the turbines when they start falling apart? (Answer is no)

At least in Germany, where wind turbines from 20+ years ago are being replaced by newer ones (due to the much higher power output), this hasn't been an issue yet. In contrast to oil and gas sites, after the wind turbine has seen it's EOL the land isn't worthless for the purpose, but a new wind turbine can be installed. Thus for most sites this isn't much of an issue. This isn't to say that regulation is a bad idea (and I'm wondering why leases were signed without a clause to obligate the operates to remove them), but I don't see the fundamental point of conflict, since the land isn't worthless afterwards for energy purposes.

> Then there’s the never ending problem of freezing…

At least your first two sources suggest that electric heating works (but unfortunately not if it's doable from the energy generated by the wind turbine itself, but I assume that to be the case, otherwise it doesn't make any sense), and the third suggests a fault of the power connection of the initial fault (and quite a bit of tabloid rambling that I didn't read, I have to admit).

Re: Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas drilling

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Elaborate. Haven’t stood next to either. My curiosity is piqued. What should I be expecting when I find myself so lucky?

Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQksc1-5Zoc imagine living with that 12 hours a day. like a drop of water hitting your forehead every few seconds. forever.

This is nothing that regulation can't solve. German regulations prohibit wind farms with such periodic shadowing if it occurs more than 30 minutes a day or 30 hours per year for a house.

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In what way was this a "Flamewar" comment?

Re: Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas drilling

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And wind turbine manufacturers would agree: UK December wind generation: Generation: 2.6 TWh Subsidy/MWh : £86.68 Market Price/MWh: £75.00

I'd personally rather a single nuclear power plant replace all the capacity, but honestly, as far as birds go, it'd be a no-op.

It looks like cats in the US only produce about 560 megawatts of heat, so you could probably do it with a single nuclear plant.
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