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Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Post by imroot »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #27
JazCE wrote: post #23

You can also see a comment from Matthew Prince on this video: https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1745697840180191501?t=... Edit: Also discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38969065

> "W-we actually didn't fire that many people." > "I-it could be that she didn't actually listen to the feedback, guys. What if she had bad feedback?!" (Implying, without evidence, that the employee is at fault. The most tone-deaf part of his response.) > "Maybe she'd be a star on another team!" (Pointless sports analogy. Another tone-deaf moment.) > "W-we'll do better next time." An embarrassing display.

We’ll do better next time…

…only to repeat the cycle in under a year and lay off another group in the exact same way.

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Post by ceuk »

rjsw wrote: post #83
ceuk wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I made a very vague comment about it being more tricky to get rid of employees in the UK. If you think it's not actually that hard as "it takes a bit more legal work", great.. but we still seem to generally agree. It's a bit patronising to imply I know nothing about UK employment law because we have a small difference of opinion around how robust we would say the protections are. It was a minor anecdotal comment b…

Segways are dangerous, just look what happened to the one time owner [1]. ITYM "segue". [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimi_Heselden

I think I typed something like that originally but my phone autocorrect didn't like it. Assumed Segway was the American spelling

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Post by kkielhofner »

justanorherhack wrote: post #73
kkielhofner wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Brittney P. should be worried about her future job prospects. This video is now viral. I would think twice about hiring her. This video reminds me of the cop who was suspended for continually posting TikTok videos of herself dancing while in uniform even after being warned multiple times to stop[0]. Her reaction was to keep doing it. Regardless of who is right in this situation (neither side in my mind) this "blew…

It's actually the opposite imo. With polarizing events like some people will indeed dislike her greatly and judge her for it but others who agree with her position will rally behind her and go out of their way to hire her. As long as there are people in her camp, she has likely received an outcry of support and multiple interview requests with likely some leadership opportunities.

My point above was that this is more of a social media story than anything.

I can't imagine any reasonable organization looking at this and thinking it's positive. I see an irresponsible, attention seeking social media addict with serious boundary issues - violating everything from more-or-less professional standards (again gray, perspective), to her employment agreement, to the law for clicks/likes and/or "dunking on"/"owning"/"calling out" her employer.

As I keep saying this is all very gray and a matter of perspective. Anyone in a hiring position has to look at this and think "when are we going to do something she arbitrarily takes issue with and puts US on blast with an illegally recorded conversation, stolen documents, etc"?

It's like cheating on your wife, marrying your mistress, and then her being surprised when you cheat on her. If she did it to a previous employer she'd do it to you.

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Post by Spivak »

seadan83 wrote: post #130
paul7986 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That depends I think on the demographic hiring her as the TikTok generation as you can see are all on her side (older generation might view her as young/inexperienced/whiny to entitled brat). It might be a good PR stunt to hire her and thus look good in the eyes of possibly the millions who commented in her favor. As well after Covid things are different like people don't and don't want to work as hard as they use to…

> A very small dataset where I experienced this is going to fast or casual food restaurants 15 to 30 minutes before they close. Some will cuss you out in a nice way for you making them do their job close to closing hours. I do not at all believe this is unique to the Tik-Tok generation. > As well after Covid things are different like people don't and don't want to work as hard as they use to. Do you have any evidence…

> Some will cuss you out in a nice way for you making them do their job close to closing hours.

If you do this you're a jerk. They've already started the process of cleaning the kitchen because they want to leave at close like you want to leave at 5. Do you start something new at 4:45 or do you pack up? If you do this and really believe it's "making people do their jobs" you've graduated to asshole and they're treating you in kind. I understand that HN is full of people who either don't grok cultural norms or who balk at them saying "well if they don't want to serve you half an hour before close they should close a half hour early then." I'm not gonna tell you can't live your life that way but you can't be surprised when you eventually find yourself disrespecting someone by ignoring those norms and people getting angry at you for it.

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Post by codersfocus »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #95
krallja wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just got a new job, and they called every single company I had worked for to ask them if I worked there, what my position was, and whether I was eligible for rehire. I didn’t get a choice about whether to include each previous employer or not: my choice was between “do the background check” or “thanks for your application, we have decided to move forward with a different candidate.” The only other thing I could hav…

I just embrace the gaps personally. The idea of a terrible former employer costing me a new job sounds awful. My effort might be in vain anyway since background checks, from my understanding, show the entirety of your W2 history anyway

You can lock your w2 history on the data brokers site. The most popular one is The Work Number.

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Post by paul7986 »

seadan83 wrote: post #130
paul7986 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That depends I think on the demographic hiring her as the TikTok generation as you can see are all on her side (older generation might view her as young/inexperienced/whiny to entitled brat). It might be a good PR stunt to hire her and thus look good in the eyes of possibly the millions who commented in her favor. As well after Covid things are different like people don't and don't want to work as hard as they use to…

> A very small dataset where I experienced this is going to fast or casual food restaurants 15 to 30 minutes before they close. Some will cuss you out in a nice way for you making them do their job close to closing hours. I do not at all believe this is unique to the Tik-Tok generation. > As well after Covid things are different like people don't and don't want to work as hard as they use to. Do you have any evidence…

My own personal experiences and I anonymously created a post on Facebook discussing two anonymous local fast food & casual chains on a local FB group noting my experiences. The majority said I was in the wrong and the majority were 44 years and below (so not just the TikTok generation ..gen z). Older then that it skewed something like if are scheduled your shift to serve food you do so until closing time. There could be factors in play like the employees are not paid beyond their shift hours and they are taking the blame for crappy franchise owners.

Also to me it makes sense that this change has occurred and or I and others are experiencing the same thing. If there's a worker shortage band it's hard to retain workers the rule change as an owner so you can keep your business going especially where there's huge demand (jersey mikes for example)for what your selling.

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Post by paul7986 »

Spivak wrote: post #134
seadan83 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A very small dataset where I experienced this is going to fast or casual food restaurants 15 to 30 minutes before they close. Some will cuss you out in a nice way for you making them do their job close to closing hours. I do not at all believe this is unique to the Tik-Tok generation. > As well after Covid things are different like people don't and don't want to work as hard as they use to. Do you have any evidence…

> Some will cuss you out in a nice way for you making them do their job close to closing hours. If you do this you're a jerk. They've already started the process of cleaning the kitchen because they want to leave at close like you want to leave at 5. Do you start something new at 4:45 or do you pack up? If you do this and really believe it's "making people do their jobs" you've graduated to asshole and they're treati…

Read my comment below I went to this sub shop many times ..where they know me as a customer and when I walked in I asked explicitly if they could still make me a sub.

Just noting my experiences this never happened before Covid..u work the shift you are scheduled and serve food til then. Now if the owner of the business is isn't paying them beyond their shift yet their employees are getting blamed that's not right.

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Post by FireBeyond »

bitcharmer wrote: post #122
FireBeyond wrote: post #117

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> What I saw in the video was someone standing up for themselves and fighting against perceived wrongdoing in an articulate way. That’s exactly the type of person I want on my team. I’d hire them in a heartbeat. Initially. But then they respond by saying that they are willing to follow up with her separately with the answers to her questions, but they don't have them there and then. Not having them there and then is…

You're very naive if you think there would be a follow up

I'm not naive. I've been on the receiving end of it. But once she's got that answer, it's clearly evident that's the answer you're getting. Refusing to move on from that isn't productive in a business setting, is more my thought.

(I literally had a PIP where my manager 100% ghosted me through the entire PIP, and I created all the work products requested in the PIP, and had documentary evidence that he did not once look at a single one of them. And then when he sat there in the last meeting with HR, and openly, repeatedly lied that he'd reviewed it all and that it was of an unsatisfactory level and that I could have been retained if it had been to a higher level, and I shared my screen filled with "Shared with X. Last Viewed: Never" on GDocs... he turned off his camera and just said the decision was made.

Which it was. I didn't expect it to be changed, nor did I particularly want it to be changed. But I did want his "openly lied to both employees and to HR over personnel issues" on the record. And it was. There was no point to keep repeating it twenty times over. It vented her frustration on a personal level but I'm not sure it shows good business judgment on her part (realize that's not mutually exclusive to CF not showing good business judgment either).

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Post by paul7986 »

paul7986 wrote: post #100
barbazoo wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as that can tank a person's entire career trajectory Plus the act of career suicide by publishing company meeting recordings on social media.

That depends I think on the demographic hiring her as the TikTok generation as you can see are all on her side (older generation might view her as young/inexperienced/whiny to entitled brat). It might be a good PR stunt to hire her and thus look good in the eyes of possibly the millions who commented in her favor. As well after Covid things are different like people don't and don't want to work as hard as they use to…

Most of my opinions are downvoted and disliked ... been on here since 2007. Yet like how i hated and pointed out Cruise was another Uber (they needed to get off the streets cause bro culture was driving it .. fake it before you make it with a startup that's product 1 ton or more robot car that's learning as it goes isn't any place for fake it before you make it) and many other instances my opinions are a lot of times forward thinking.

As well when i pitched the idea of sharing battery power between two phones to Intel and Mark Burnett (producer of the Voice, Survivor, etc) on his inventor reality show in 2015 ... in 2019 Samsung added this feature into their phones (Wireless Powershare). As well created an idea in Feb 2013 (long ago lol) that turned multiple phones into one synced speaker via a web app..in March 2013 Samsung announced they were putting this same tech into their phones and in April 2013 Google invited me to discuss putting our tech into the Moto X. My take here per my experiences /intuition is that ppl do not work as hard and care as much in low level to even some high level jobs due to worker shortages and or their companies aren't paying them beyond their shift.

I know this will be donwvoted too :)

Re: Cloudflare Termination Video: A Master Class in How Not to Terminate Someone

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Post by whamlastxmas »

codersfocus wrote: post #135
whamlastxmas wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just embrace the gaps personally. The idea of a terrible former employer costing me a new job sounds awful. My effort might be in vain anyway since background checks, from my understanding, show the entirety of your W2 history anyway

You can lock your w2 history on the data brokers site. The most popular one is The Work Number.

Aren't there like a thousand data brokers? I am suspicious any efforts to block this would be effective
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