Two things in the keynote that seem faked: 1. at 13:13 there's a demo ordering a ride 'to home', then the user requests a car change to fit six people, and what's shown as a seamless switch from UberX to UberXL also updates the destination from the home address to LAX airport. 2. at 14:05 the device confirms and recites a pizza order, but the screen displays "chesse" with a typo while the voice reads out "cheese", so…
Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone
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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone
#332This is HN... so what OS do we think this is running? Android under the hood? Anyone know more about hardware or screen res? I wonder how hard it would be to root this device and use it for the hardware.
Since Teenage Engineering has been mentioned as a design partner, I'd look at the specs for the Playdate and give it a spec bump. Based on the rabbit keynote showing a colour screen - take a Playdate device, turn 90 degrees counterclockwise and reduce the height-now-width since you don't need a controller, just a roller wheel, pushbutton, and rotating camera. Quick web search states a Playdate device has a 168MHz ARM…
Hell no. This is no better than a gameboy or whatever the current Nintendo console is.
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> if I wanted to do a simple find-and-replace on my 2021 M1, I'd have to use something like grep (a tool originally written by Ken Thompson in 1973—a half century before my laptop was built) and look up flags and syntax I inevitably constantly forget. We should have been past this at least 15 years ago. Pretty much any text editor worth its salt has find and replace, regex compatible, features. Even the extremely rud…
> regex compatible Even a typical Product Manager, let alone a regular layperson, would have no idea where to start with regex, so it's a super weird thing to bring up. Of course grep is a great tool, just how the hammer is a great tool (invented around 3 million years ago); but we've moved past that. You can't use a hammer to do EUV lithography.
Supporting regex covers that extra mile that some advanced power users might need, since you were referencing obscure grep flags.
What kind of search and replace are you doing that is akin to EUV lithography?
Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone
#334Note that this is not a Teenage Engineering product. This is a product sold by Rabbit - and they hired TE to help as a design agency.
Thank you, this is an important detail. Teenage Engineering isn't mentioned anywhere on the linked page, so I was confused about the HN title. I figured Rabbit was a new venture by TE.
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#335This is never going to work for me because I don’t want to talk to my computer. When I’m in public my voice is noise pollution at best and is telling everyone around me what I’m doing at worst. Call me weird but I don’t want everyone around me essentially hearing every thought I’m looking up in real time. Feels creepy.
I guess you didn't watch the keynote, he showed that when you shake the device a keyboard pops up.
Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone
#3361) Price seems too low for unlimited LLM usage and there's no monthly fee... so maybe you are the product?
2) Website has no information on the people behind this.
3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign.
4) The founder's voice-over insists that "we value privacy" and "we do not hack" and "we do not create fake users." Protests too much?
5) They're not really addressing the trust-building necessary to convince people to use this like a personal assistant. It's waaaay too opaque.
Neat product, though. Maybe they're just launching super early, nothing is figured out yet, the website isn't done, etc.
Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone
#337I feel like the R1 is getting a lot of weird hate here on HN. I get it, it's a bit pretentious and wants to be very Apple-like, yadda yadda. Probably not that much value generation, it's overpriced, and no one wants to carry another thing in their pocket. And yes, the company will likely go bankrupt (or pivot into something less exciting). It's also all in the cloud (no local inference) so it doesn't really even "do"…
The strangest thing about AI is that a lot of it's value comes from the fact that it's better at using the tools that we designed for humans than we are. It's essentially an admission of failure. I'm not sure what conclusions to draw from this observation however.
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The AI runs on their cloud. It's unfortunate but the industry is only starting to catch onto on-device models language models.
It probably wouldn’t cost $199 with a capable chip and the battery to go with that. Actually the only device with such features is a recent smartphone. Wouldn’t this be better as an app?
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It’s $199. At that price it could be a viable cool toy like product to have in addition to your normal smartphone.
That's why I just ordered one. I don't know how it'll turn out, but for the price I'm willing to have a beautiful little fidget toy to play with.
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Teenage engineering has been around long enough they won't go bust in 2 years.
The hardware was designed by Teenage Engineering but the company producing the device (and presumably operating the cloud services it depends on) is separate.