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BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by resolutebat »

dylan604 wrote: post #114
resolutebat wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is a problem because...? Tesla's building their cheap car too, but it will not launch until 2025 earliest.

What is "cheap" in terms of Tesla? From my understanding of issues with modern Teslas at full price, I'd hate to see issues when they start cutting corners to make "cheap".

It's all speculation at this point, but apparently they're aiming for a $25k price point:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_next-generation_vehicle

And Teslas built overseas are fine, it's Fremont's quality control that sucks. Which is likely exactly why Tesla is planning to built the Model 2s in Mexico, Germany and China, but not the US.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by bo1024 »

iancmceachern wrote: post #75
pclmulqdq wrote: post #35

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This is a feature that should only be used for off-roading. Off roads, it is extremely useful to be able to make small-radius turns.

A 4 ton thing doing this on the trails I go on would destroy them. I hope people don't actually do it.

Yeah, this is why Rivian never enabled tank turn.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by belltaco »

cyberax wrote: post #180
belltaco wrote: post #175

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Only 10 to 30 of the 130 mechanics "walked off the job". The press like AP News is straight up lying that 130 mechanics walked off the job, that other media is parroting. The rest like their stock options and performance based pay hikes instead of the union table rates for all: https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/tesla-teknikern-jobbar-trot... https://www.na.se/2023-11-16/tesla-ar-den-basta-arbetsgivare... The number of…

> The number of striking Tesla mechanics is so low that IF Metall refuses to reveal how many are striking, BS. Unions almost never reveal the number of striking employees. > and recently expelled some Tesla employees for not obeying their power play of striking. It's not "power play", it's business as usual that Tesla wants to upend.

> Unions almost never reveal the number of striking employees

Why don't they?

> It's not "power play", it's business as usual that Tesla wants to upend

Tesla has been selling and servicing cars in Sweden from almost 10 years, it was business as usual till the union decided to strike.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by gambiting »

abenga wrote: post #179
gambiting wrote: post #177

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>>Which "same range"? Volvo can do 1000km using 75 litres of petrol + 10kWh of electricity(and it is 10kWh in my model, 15kWh is a newer one). BYD can do 1000km using 75 litres of petrol + 50kWh of electricity. The math on this is very simple, no?

Sounds like they have the same range. Different power efficiency, for sure, but they do have the same range fully fueled and charged.

.....which is exactly what I said. I complained about BYD's efficiency not range.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by oefrha »

gambiting wrote: post #177
buran77 wrote: post #168

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> BYD needs literally 5x the electricity of the Volvo(50kWh Vs 10kWh) for the same range Which "same range"? Did you just calculate electric efficiency using the total range including gasoline? In that case your PHEV needs an infinite times the electricity of a car driving on gasoline alone. If anything on paper the U8 is 10% more efficient (Volvo says 50km from the 15kWh battery, not 10kWh). With gasoline factored i…

>>Which "same range"? Volvo can do 1000km using 75 litres of petrol + 10kWh of electricity(and it is 10kWh in my model, 15kWh is a newer one). BYD can do 1000km using 75 litres of petrol + 50kWh of electricity. The math on this is very simple, no?

Using current U.S. numbers [1][2]: average electricity price is $0.162/kWh, might be cheaper off peak or with solar roof; average gas price is $3.083/gal ($0.815/L) for regular, and $3.885/gal ($1.026/L) for premium which is recommended for your Volvo.

So, with regular gas:

  75L + 50kWh: 75 * 0.815 + 50 * 0.162 = 69.225
  75L + 10kWh: 75 * 0.815 + 10 * 0.162 = 63.525
A difference of 10.3%.

With premium gas:

  75L + 50kWh: 75 * 1.026 + 50 * 0.162 = 85.050
  75L + 10kWh: 75 * 1.026 + 10 * 0.162 = 78.570
A difference of 8.2%.

You failed to mention it's the gas part that's frigging expensive.

[1] https://www.energybot.com/electricity-rates/

[2] https://gasprices.aaa.com/

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by _ea1k »

diggan wrote: post #2

Seems like BYD has surpassed Tesla as the biggest EV maker as of the end of 2023: https://www.ft.com/content/716c9b0b-d8cd-491a-a91b-d70c1e540... ( https://archive.is/LOiYh ) I'm guessing that Musk's unwillingness to work with the rules and norms in the markets Tesla is trying to enter, will be Tesla's downfall. Hopefully Tesla could somehow get rid of Musk as it seems like he is constantly holding Tesla back quite a…

As much as I'd love to believe that a better leader would make an American company fully keep pace with BYD, I don't see any evidence that this is the case. I really doubt BYD would be doing any better on worker treatment and unionization.

And besides, BYD did that by selling a lot of very cheap vehicles. I don't think that really fits the business objectives for Tesla.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by ace2358 »

femto wrote: post #144

Fun fact: The original VW beetle could do this for half an hour or so [1]. There was a (1960s?) article in "Modern Motor", whereby someone tested it and found that there was at least some control, as the tyres provided enough paddle action to move forward and the front wheels acted as rudders. Their floating inspired some to modify beetles to really make them amphibious [2,3]. Even if it officially floats, I wouldn't…

I live near the area from [4]. Driving through flooded streets is a huge issue, people don’t understand the dangers. I have a light 4wd and would never take it through any water, no matter how small it looks. You just don’t know what’s beneath the surface of the water.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by _ea1k »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #152
piva00 wrote: post #140

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> I’m not sure how BYD would fair in Norway/Sweden; where unions are granted blanket monopolies on economic control. Is it even much of a player there yet? Unions don't have blanket monopolies on economic control, that's absolute bullshit... I see quite a few BYDs here in Sweden. My girlfriend even got one as a rental some 3-6 months ago.

They were able to stop Tesla from sending vehicle registrations in the mail. That is very powerful control of economy, if not speech.

Yeah, their system is really foreign to us in the US (no pun intended :)). The idea that people not employed by Tesla will actively block Tesla is weird and really tilts the balance of power.

I'm not aware enough of the details of how this works in general to say whether this is good or bad overall.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by ddeck »

_fw wrote: post #31

This looks a great deal like the Defender that Land Rover introduced in 2018.

You certainly aren't the only one to notice:

Even tech giant Google's internet image search believes the Stone 01 is a Land Rover Defender, such is the closeness of the two SUVs.

China’s Land Rover Defender copycat revealed [1]

[1] https://www.drive.com.au/news/china-land-rover-defender-copy...

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