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BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by Veserv »

belltaco wrote: post #167
Veserv wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is just a lie their marketing department tells to make themselves look better thinking people will not look further. Their actual pledge: https://www.tesla.com/legal/additional-resources#patent-pled... States you can use Tesla patents if you agree to let Tesla use your patents, rip-off your products, make counterfeits, and steal your trade secrets. That is worse than standard patent reciprocity agreements and I…

> rip-off your products, make counterfeits, and steal your trade secrets. Not seeing that in your link, can you quote the relevant parts or cite better sources?

There are no better sources, that is literally the official legal text of their pledge.

“asserted, helped others assert or had a financial stake in any assertion of

(i) any patent or other intellectual property right [highlighted for emphasis] against Tesla

(ii) any patent right against a third party for its use of technologies relating to electric vehicles or related equipment”

Condition 1 states you can not assert any intellectual property right against Tesla. Intellectual property rights include patents, copyrights (protects against rip-off products), trademarks (protects against counterfeits), and trade secrets (protects against insider stealing).

This is explicit and deliberate as condition 2 states only patent rights are protected for others.

Tesla then goes on to reiterate that it explicitly and deliberately protects its own copyright and trademark:

“challenged, helped others challenge, or had a financial stake in any challenge to any Tesla patent; or marketed or sold any knock-off product (e.g., a product created by imitating or copying the design or appearance of a Tesla product or which suggests an association with or endorsement by Tesla)“

They literally need that additional “I’m about to screw you” clarification clause to make double-sure that if you try to fight the terms in the future as unconscionable they can point to how they made double explicitly sure that you realize the rights Tesla is extending you are explicitly a tiny fraction of what Tesla is demanding from you.

Those terms are so unfair it is ridiculous and it is insulting that Tesla dares to claim it, in any way, represents a good faith patent and openness pledge. I can find a more honest promise from a used car salesperson.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by apapapa »

avar wrote: post #37

A car that floats ... but only with a mandatory fully open sunroof ... in a part of the world that gets typhoons. Is the 30 minute time limitation an estimate on how long it'll take to fill it up in the rain with an open sunroof?

Typhoons aren't a daily thing.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

belltaco wrote: post #160
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #95

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You asked for an example, I gave you the last example I am aware of: https://apnews.com/article/tesla-strike-union-sweden-labor-d... .

> About 130 mechanics at 10 Tesla garages across Sweden walked off the job on Oct. 27 over the company’s refusal to sign a collective bargaining agreement This is false reporting, only 10 to 30 of the 130 mechanics "walked off the job". The rest like their stock options and performance based pay hikes instead of the union table rates for all. > About 130 mechanics at 10 Tesla garages across Sweden walked off the job…

Dude. Relax, I’m pointing you at an issue, not that particular article, neither numbers. Geez…

The point being… you asked for sources, I pointed out some I heard about, and you jump at me with some argument I’m not even interested in. I don’t care who’s right and who’s wrong.

The bottom line is Musk started a fight and people walked out.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by belltaco »

piva00 wrote: post #162
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #152

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They were able to stop Tesla from sending vehicle registrations in the mail. That is very powerful control of economy, if not speech.

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Only 10 to 30 of the 130 mechanics "walked off the job". The press like AP News is straight up lying that 130 mechanics walked off the job, that other media is parroting. The rest like their stock options and performance based pay hikes instead of the union table rates for all:

https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/tesla-teknikern-jobbar-trot...

https://www.na.se/2023-11-16/tesla-ar-den-basta-arbetsgivare...

The number of striking Tesla mechanics is so low that IF Metall refuses to reveal how many are striking, and recently expelled some Tesla employees for not obeying their power play of striking.

https://da.se/2023/12/if-metall-flera-strejkbrytare-utesluts...

It's a powerplay by unions who have to resort to sympathy strikes using the government monopoly on giving out registration plates because Tesla workers are happy. Even those are failing as Tesla sales in Sweden have increased over 2022 in Nov and Dec 2023, in spite of blockades on Tesla car imports. Would be interesting to see the court battle over plates because Swedish law says plates must be provided for lawfully registered cars. The law usually trumps contracts, which should have exceptions in the cases of force majeure anyway.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by dangus »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #26
speedgoose wrote: post #11

4 tons as an hybrid with only 50kWh of battery. You would need a truck driving license in Europe, and a speed limit of 80km/h.

Yeah, I doubt we'll ever see on in the UK because of licensing issues. That said, it's also range extended so 50kWh is ample. I would hazard a guess it would do about 100 miles on battery alone.

If I lived in China I wouldn’t give a shit about range. I would have access to the world’s premier high speed rail network.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by gambiting »

buran77 wrote: post #168
gambiting wrote: post #132

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Both cars are plug in hybrids - you need to charge them externally to get the most out of them. BYD needs literally 5x the electricity of the Volvo(50kWh Vs 10kWh) for the same range, so the owner is definitely going to notice it on their energy bill.

> BYD needs literally 5x the electricity of the Volvo(50kWh Vs 10kWh) for the same range Which "same range"? Did you just calculate electric efficiency using the total range including gasoline? In that case your PHEV needs an infinite times the electricity of a car driving on gasoline alone. If anything on paper the U8 is 10% more efficient (Volvo says 50km from the 15kWh battery, not 10kWh). With gasoline factored i…

>>Which "same range"?

Volvo can do 1000km using 75 litres of petrol + 10kWh of electricity(and it is 10kWh in my model, 15kWh is a newer one).

BYD can do 1000km using 75 litres of petrol + 50kWh of electricity.

The math on this is very simple, no?

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by abenga »

gambiting wrote: post #177
buran77 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> BYD needs literally 5x the electricity of the Volvo(50kWh Vs 10kWh) for the same range Which "same range"? Did you just calculate electric efficiency using the total range including gasoline? In that case your PHEV needs an infinite times the electricity of a car driving on gasoline alone. If anything on paper the U8 is 10% more efficient (Volvo says 50km from the 15kWh battery, not 10kWh). With gasoline factored i…

>>Which "same range"? Volvo can do 1000km using 75 litres of petrol + 10kWh of electricity(and it is 10kWh in my model, 15kWh is a newer one). BYD can do 1000km using 75 litres of petrol + 50kWh of electricity. The math on this is very simple, no?

Sounds like they have the same range. Different power efficiency, for sure, but they do have the same range fully fueled and charged.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by cyberax »

belltaco wrote: post #175
piva00 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Only 10 to 30 of the 130 mechanics "walked off the job". The press like AP News is straight up lying that 130 mechanics walked off the job, that other media is parroting. The rest like their stock options and performance based pay hikes instead of the union table rates for all: https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/tesla-teknikern-jobbar-trot... https://www.na.se/2023-11-16/tesla-ar-den-basta-arbetsgivare... The number of…

> The number of striking Tesla mechanics is so low that IF Metall refuses to reveal how many are striking,

BS. Unions almost never reveal the number of striking employees.

> and recently expelled some Tesla employees for not obeying their power play of striking.

It's not "power play", it's business as usual that Tesla wants to upend.

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