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BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by vitorgrs »

Etheryte wrote: post #17
diggan wrote: post #2

Seems like BYD has surpassed Tesla as the biggest EV maker as of the end of 2023: https://www.ft.com/content/716c9b0b-d8cd-491a-a91b-d70c1e540... ( https://archive.is/LOiYh ) I'm guessing that Musk's unwillingness to work with the rules and norms in the markets Tesla is trying to enter, will be Tesla's downfall. Hopefully Tesla could somehow get rid of Musk as it seems like he is constantly holding Tesla back quite a…

This is a stat that people keep bringing up while completely ignoring the fact that many of BYD's vehicles are not marketable outside of China because they're just rip-offs of other manufacturers' vehicles. See BYD S8 [0] and Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class [1] for one example, but there are numerous. This should tell you everything you need to know about this company. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_S8 [1] https://en.…

BYD is very marketable here in Brazil, and the sales are rising like crazy...

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by gambiting »

manmal wrote: post #120
gambiting wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It literally says in the article - the EV only range is 180km(about 110 miles), the fuel tank is 75 litres, giving it a combined range of 1000km(600 miles). Tbh that's an awful combined range and it shows how heavy and inefficient the car is. My Volvo XC60 PHEV only has about 50km EV-only range, but combined with its 75 litre tank it can easily do 1000km, no problem.

Both can do 1k km on 75l, so apart from the Volvo‘s smaller battery, where‘s the difference for the end user? I think it’s a waste of materials to build such cars, but given the weight the consumption seems impressive.

Both cars are plug in hybrids - you need to charge them externally to get the most out of them. BYD needs literally 5x the electricity of the Volvo(50kWh Vs 10kWh) for the same range, so the owner is definitely going to notice it on their energy bill.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by alamortsubite »

joshuanapoli wrote: post #4
madaxe_again wrote: post #3

Dare I ask why an EV would need a snorkel? Air cooling?

It also has a gasoline engine.

Which the article says shuts down immediately when the vehicle starts floating. So maybe it mostly serves as the same reverse status symbol as snorkels on other SUV.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by rossjudson »

diggan wrote: post #2

Seems like BYD has surpassed Tesla as the biggest EV maker as of the end of 2023: https://www.ft.com/content/716c9b0b-d8cd-491a-a91b-d70c1e540... ( https://archive.is/LOiYh ) I'm guessing that Musk's unwillingness to work with the rules and norms in the markets Tesla is trying to enter, will be Tesla's downfall. Hopefully Tesla could somehow get rid of Musk as it seems like he is constantly holding Tesla back quite a…

Vehicles sold by price and region is useful. Total # of vehicles sold is not. How many sold inside/outside of China? To put it gently, EV sales in China have had an additional boost from the government (which, btw, I think is good for the planet).

The newer BYD vehicles are more comparable to Tesla (and other manufacturers), but there's a long, long way to go before they prove themselves more than a manufacturer of cheap cars.

Tesla has never been a manufacturer of cheap cars. More recently, it has become a manufacturer of good ones.

The fundamentally simpler nature of EVs means they're rolling software platforms, and the software matters a great deal. Tesla has gotten good at the software side of the equation, and are arguably ahead of pretty much everything else.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by gambiting »

starbase wrote: post #112
gambiting wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...why? Doesn't it do it by using 4 wheel steer?

nope. Rivian spins the left wheels forward and the right wheels backwards, or vice versa

Oh. Yeah that's not great.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by Veserv »

belltaco wrote: post #69
diggan wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you are world #2 in your field of work do you consider yourself a failure and that you fucked up? That's a sad existence. Personally, I wouldn't, I don't care what "position" I'm at, as long as I have enough. But I'm fairly sure that Musk would take that as a failure, especially if you've been #1 for a bunch of quarters and suddenly you aren't. (Musk has repeated many times that he wants Tesla to be the biggest…

Musk and Tesla opened up EV patents to help other car companies make and sell EVs, more EVs are getting into the hands of people so that's a good thing. https://sustainablebrands.com/read/behavior-change/tesla-ope...

That is just a lie their marketing department tells to make themselves look better thinking people will not look further.

Their actual pledge: https://www.tesla.com/legal/additional-resources#patent-pled...

States you can use Tesla patents if you agree to let Tesla use your patents, rip-off your products, make counterfeits, and steal your trade secrets.

That is worse than standard patent reciprocity agreements and I think most companies would prefer paying for regular patent licensing over such ludicrous IP overreach. Tesla and Elon Musk somehow proposed something even less open than regular patents and had the gall to lie about being openness advocates.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by christkv »

rossjudson wrote: post #135
diggan wrote: post #2

Seems like BYD has surpassed Tesla as the biggest EV maker as of the end of 2023: https://www.ft.com/content/716c9b0b-d8cd-491a-a91b-d70c1e540... ( https://archive.is/LOiYh ) I'm guessing that Musk's unwillingness to work with the rules and norms in the markets Tesla is trying to enter, will be Tesla's downfall. Hopefully Tesla could somehow get rid of Musk as it seems like he is constantly holding Tesla back quite a…

Vehicles sold by price and region is useful. Total # of vehicles sold is not. How many sold inside/outside of China? To put it gently, EV sales in China have had an additional boost from the government (which, btw, I think is good for the planet). The newer BYD vehicles are more comparable to Tesla (and other manufacturers), but there's a long, long way to go before they prove themselves more than a manufacturer of c…

I would not trust any sales numbers from the Chinese internal market as they have a long history of faking them for various reasons. This includes doing things like registering the car (counting as sale) and then just parking them on a lot.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevetengler/2023/07/19/the-thr...

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by pclmulqdq »

iancmceachern wrote: post #75
pclmulqdq wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a feature that should only be used for off-roading. Off roads, it is extremely useful to be able to make small-radius turns.

A 4 ton thing doing this on the trails I go on would destroy them. I hope people don't actually do it.

In my past times off-roading, trails and dirt roads have usually been very generous with places to turn. Not so much when you are off a trail or a road.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by piva00 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #72
diggan wrote: post #2

Seems like BYD has surpassed Tesla as the biggest EV maker as of the end of 2023: https://www.ft.com/content/716c9b0b-d8cd-491a-a91b-d70c1e540... ( https://archive.is/LOiYh ) I'm guessing that Musk's unwillingness to work with the rules and norms in the markets Tesla is trying to enter, will be Tesla's downfall. Hopefully Tesla could somehow get rid of Musk as it seems like he is constantly holding Tesla back quite a…

> I'm guessing that Musk's unwillingness to work with the rules and norms in the markets Tesla is trying to enter, will be Tesla's downfall. Musk is perfectly willing to play by the rules and norms of the Chinese market. They opened up a factory there and everything, they are even selling lots of cars in the PRC while exporting some outside. I’m not sure how BYD would fair in Norway/Sweden; where unions are granted b…

> I’m not sure how BYD would fair in Norway/Sweden; where unions are granted blanket monopolies on economic control. Is it even much of a player there yet?

Unions don't have blanket monopolies on economic control, that's absolute bullshit...

I see quite a few BYDs here in Sweden. My girlfriend even got one as a rental some 3-6 months ago.

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