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June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by op00to »

throwaway562if1 wrote: post #21
meisel wrote: post #16

I don't know much about CentOS, but I've seen a lot of anger about the end of CentOS Linux, regardless of CentOS stream, Rocky, etc. . Can someone explain the history of this, why CentOS is going away, why it's being replaced with these new alternatives, and why many seem quite mad about it? Just curious to understand the state of it.

Red Hat had given a lifecycle for CentOS 8 with an EOL in 2029. IBM acquired Red Hat, and promptly announced they were reneging on this schedule. Given that the primary draw of CentOS/RHEL are long-term, reliable, well-supported, stable operating systems, users were... displeased. CentOS stream is primarily intended to onboard users onto RHEL, which is undesirable when nobody trusts Red Hat to keep their word now.

> Red Hat had given a lifecycle for CentOS 8 with an EOL in 2029

I thought that neither Red Hat nor CentOS foundation gave a lifecycle date for CentOS 8. Can you help me find that lifecycle statement?

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by peddling-brink »

b112 wrote: post #69
bluedino wrote: post #56

For better or for worse, this has caused a lot of software vendors to drop RHEL/CentOS support. Many have started to offer Ubuntu support in it's place. Most of them didn't even try to support stream. I'm not sure what the process behind that was. CentOS was free, which is why we used it. Sure, our SAP boxes run RHEL but the other stuff doesn't. We started moving a lot of stuff to Ubuntu as well. Now, Ubuntu is by no…

I am always baffled by people using ubuntu because "free". I get the desire if you want the paid stream. EG, an alternative to Redhat or SuSE as a paid stream. But if you're going to use Ubuntu, why put up with the snaps, the commercialism, the app store, when you can just use debian? Every time I hear a reason why, it makes little sense to me. Even though 95% of Ubuntu is Debian, and Ubuntu wouldn't exist without De…

Because 15 years ago Ubuntu shipped them distro CDs in the mail for free, and Debian was an entire dvd to download, slowly.

Their more clever friends were compiling Arch, but who has time for that?

I say this tongue in cheek, as a personal lived experience.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by sigio »

BSDobelix wrote: post #53

This is really the time to make a decision, do you really need support..ehm sorry insurance? Then RedHat/Suse/Oracle if not, choose a trusted community distribution like Debian.

Same here... we were already running lots of Debian and Ubuntu, and have made the decision to use Debian by default for everything new, and migrate to Debian everything that still has to be around in a couple of months. The rest can be killed of when it hits the EOL for CentOS of Ubuntu 20.x

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by angry_moose »

bluedino wrote: post #56

For better or for worse, this has caused a lot of software vendors to drop RHEL/CentOS support. Many have started to offer Ubuntu support in it's place. Most of them didn't even try to support stream. I'm not sure what the process behind that was. CentOS was free, which is why we used it. Sure, our SAP boxes run RHEL but the other stuff doesn't. We started moving a lot of stuff to Ubuntu as well. Now, Ubuntu is by no…

> Additionally, Red Hat support is so bad these days. It almost reminds me of Microsoft Technet forums of the past. Random 'techs' offering copy-paste solutions and the same bad information.

Yeah, that's been my experience. We had a bad driver package from them completely hose one of our prod systems.

It took 3 days and multiple calls from our CTO to get anyone to seriously look at the issue despite being on the top level support level and it being a Severity 1 issue. The whole "Responses within X hours" thing is a joke when all they give you is "Have you tried rebooting?" or "We're still looking into it" (technically those are response!).

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by p_l »

geerlingguy wrote: post #27
p_l wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> already completed their migration from CentOS to RHEL/Fedora/Rocky/Alma/etc during the early part of 2023 ahahahahaha.... OTOH, I no longer work there, I get to watch the fireworks

Heh... I still see CentOS 6 with some regularity.

That company had few load-bearing CentOS 6 machines that barely anyone knew how to operate (as in "where are the SSH keys, passwords, where shit is stored on them") and docs were in disarray.

The replacement project for remaining CentOS 6 machines was going glacially, but at least didn't endanger compliance. The replacement project for CentOS 7 got sabotaged by management, few people got run out of the company, last I heard the replacement project for the replacement project was going to just end up with few multimillion cheques to OpenLogic so that certain big fat client group doesn't drop them like hot potato on EOL day.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by bennyvasquez »

stonemetal12 wrote: post #80
heywoodlh wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I fail to see what separates Alma from CentOS Stream at this point I believe that AlmaLinux's approach is in-line with Red Hat's vision for downstream OS-es. Rocky's is not. I think a potential benefit to aligning with Red Hat's approach is that both AlmaLinux and Red Hat will be contributing fixes, improvements, etc. to CentOS Stream -- and any other OS-es that base off of CentOS Stream. And, nothing is preventing…

>I believe that AlmaLinux's approach is in-line with Red Hat's vision for downstream OS-es. As far as I can tell this is logically incorrect CentOS/Alma are upstream not downstream and red hat's vision of downstream OSes is they don't exist because that takes a nickel out of IBM's pocket.

AlmaLinux matches releases and versions with RHEL. More clarification in this 2-minute video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNMnajmyLaA

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by freedomben »

bityard wrote: post #59
chasil wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, Alma is following the stream release, which is slightly upstream and less stable than RHEL. https://linux.slashdot.org/story/23/07/29/0214234/almalinux-... Rocky and SUSE Liberty Linux aim to be bug-for-bug compatible with RHEL, which has become more difficult.

This is the first time I have heard of SUSE Liberty Linux as an alternative to RHEL... when I went searching for information on it, all I could find was the product page and some press releases. It's hard to read between the lines of the marketing speak but it sounds like it's just a suite of paid support options for existing RHEL/CentOS deployments and not a RHEL derivative that one can just download and use. Unless…

No it is actually a RHEL derivative, but personally I wouldn't go that direction unless you intend to eventually move to other SUSE stuff. They committed a chunk of budget initially to maintain it, but I'm sure they view it as a stepping stone or bridge SLE.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

monkeywork wrote: post #79
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RH did great financially for many years while CentOS was around; do you have some reason to claim that it was an existential threat?

because having CentOS lead to Oracle Linux being a thing which allowed big competitor to offer what was essentially 100% compatible product to your own while undercutting your support costs. I don't think RHEL/IBM cares about the small losses on CentOS/Rocky/Alma/etc what they found was hurting them was companies like Oracle

I don't think that's correct; AFAIK OEL has always pulled directly from RHEL sources. That is, they were a sibling, not a downstream of CentOS. I am open to the idea that CentOS was basically collateral damage as Red Hat attempted to block Oracle, but that's not the same thing.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by bennyvasquez »

chasil wrote: post #44
0x6c6f6c wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another suitable option, which has handled the situation of Red Hat source RPM releases[1] quite a bit better imo, is Alma Linux. https://almalinux.org/ Similar goal, but is working more directly upstream with Red Hat[2] as opposed to the (as I last had read) undisclosed and non-open approach that Rocky Linux has taken. 1: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-s... 2: https://almalinux.org/blog/f…

As I understand it, Alma is following the stream release, which is slightly upstream and less stable than RHEL. https://linux.slashdot.org/story/23/07/29/0214234/almalinux-... Rocky and SUSE Liberty Linux aim to be bug-for-bug compatible with RHEL, which has become more difficult.

AlmaLinux matches releases and versions with RHEL. More clarification in this 2-minute video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNMnajmyLaA

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by nolist_policy »

dylan604 wrote: post #86
BSDobelix wrote: post #53

This is really the time to make a decision, do you really need support..ehm sorry insurance? Then RedHat/Suse/Oracle if not, choose a trusted community distribution like Debian.

I am curious about what the expense of support gets you that a typical IT person could not find on some forum somewhere online.

Getting someone to actually fixing bugs in the distro, without begging on some forum or whatever.
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