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June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by throwaway562if1 »

meisel wrote: post #16

I don't know much about CentOS, but I've seen a lot of anger about the end of CentOS Linux, regardless of CentOS stream, Rocky, etc. . Can someone explain the history of this, why CentOS is going away, why it's being replaced with these new alternatives, and why many seem quite mad about it? Just curious to understand the state of it.

Red Hat had given a lifecycle for CentOS 8 with an EOL in 2029. IBM acquired Red Hat, and promptly announced they were reneging on this schedule. Given that the primary draw of CentOS/RHEL are long-term, reliable, well-supported, stable operating systems, users were... displeased.

CentOS stream is primarily intended to onboard users onto RHEL, which is undesirable when nobody trusts Red Hat to keep their word now.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by behnamoh »

Well, Redhat has to make money somehow, so this decision is understandable.

To me, open-source is about the open, transparent "culture" in which you commit to develop, not about putting things out there for free (as in free beer). Too many companies already benefiting from open-source packages (e.g., OpenCV) without giving anything back to the community.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by geerlingguy »

bombcar wrote: post #20
highwind wrote: post #7

Hoping for 10 years of support, I adopted Centos 8 a week before the EOL announcement. I never understood why they decided to support 7 longer than 8.

That was the real rug-pull. Had they supported CentOS 8 for the full 10 years, and announced that starting with 9 it would be this useless rolling release, people would have been much more calm about the whole thing.

Yep.

It would've been disappointing, but it wouldn't have knocked the bee hive off the tree, so to speak. The announcement came right after I had switched over all my stuff to target CentOS 8. If they had given me the runway to make it feel like all that work wasn't for nothing, I would've been okay taking a few years to slowly roll to something else.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by martinky24 »

behnamoh wrote: post #22

Well, Redhat has to make money somehow, so this decision is understandable. To me, open-source is about the open, transparent "culture" in which you commit to develop, not about putting things out there for free (as in free beer). Too many companies already benefiting from open-source packages (e.g., OpenCV) without giving anything back to the community.

"Acquire competitor, just to shut down competitor" is a pretty gross (and monopolistic) business practice. So that's a relatively crass way of looking at it.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by geerlingguy »

p_l wrote: post #18
jasoneckert wrote: post #2

This EOL date is a generous one. Like my organization, most others I know have already completed their migration from CentOS to RHEL/Fedora/Rocky/Alma/etc during the early part of 2023. Thus, these 6 months are mainly for the few outliers who have not.

> already completed their migration from CentOS to RHEL/Fedora/Rocky/Alma/etc during the early part of 2023 ahahahahaha.... OTOH, I no longer work there, I get to watch the fireworks

Heh... I still see CentOS 6 with some regularity.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by behnamoh »

martinky24 wrote: post #24
behnamoh wrote: post #22

Well, Redhat has to make money somehow, so this decision is understandable. To me, open-source is about the open, transparent "culture" in which you commit to develop, not about putting things out there for free (as in free beer). Too many companies already benefiting from open-source packages (e.g., OpenCV) without giving anything back to the community.

"Acquire competitor, just to shut down competitor" is a pretty gross (and monopolistic) business practice. So that's a relatively crass way of looking at it.

"Not acquire competitor, and have to shut down your own firm" is a more crass decision.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by phpisthebest »

heywoodlh wrote: post #17
keikobadthebad wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you be specific? Else it sounds like you're just FUDding it.

My understanding is that since Red Hat restricted the source availability for RHEL, Rocky is using the following loopholes to gain binary compatibility with RHEL: 1. Using OCI images of RHEL (i.e. on Docker Hub) 2. Using cloud server images of RHEL They outlined their plans for this in June of 2023[0]. Red Hat’s official stance is that downstream distros like Rocky or AlmaLinux should be basing off of CentOS Stream —…

I fail to see what separates Alma from CentOS Stream at this point

The entire Propose of CentOS was Binary Compatibility with RHEL, largely for Vendor compliance reasons, if a vendor of a commercial software product validated RHEL 7 for their software running CentOS 7 was also supported

Running CentOS Stream, or now Alma Linux would not be as their are no longer binary compatible with RHEL.

the Hostility of IBM and Redhat here has lead me to transition 100% of the CentOS Server I managed to Ubuntu Last year... The software vendors that i use all quickly validated Ubuntu as an alternative to CentOS after the original CentOS Stream announcement which made is a easy choice for me..

I will never use RHEL or RHEL based distribution again at this point so I really do not care about the future of Alma or Rocky either

>Personally, I don’t find value in the EL ecosystem, I prefer rolling releases everywhere when possible

if you are running ERP Systems, LOB Apps, or other critical functions that measure their code life in decades not weeks then EL systems are required. I do not want the system to change as the app i am running has not changed. I want Stability, and security not new features or more performance or even new hardware

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