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Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by s1artibartfast »

yumraj wrote: post #70
s1artibartfast wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have driven through a roundabout, still dont understand the issue. I have thumb actuated volume buttons on my steering wheel, and can use them in a turn. I actually could see the the lever being harder. If im going through a roundabout with my hands at 12 and 4, a shifter at 9 seems hard to actuate. Im guessing that roundabouts in Norway are tighter than im used to, and drivers have to reset their hand position away…

In a roundabout, I (so as to not generalize how people drive), move my hands on the steering while turning - as in turn and then then when hands cross, adjust and turn more. As in when going anti-clockwise on a U.S. roundabout, initially the right had is on right and left on left, but while turning the hands cross (left hand on right and right on left), so you adjust and lather-rinse-repeat. (I hope I'm making sense)…

that makes sense, I am also curious how this all translates to teslas with Yolk wheels where you don't reposition on the wheel (like pictured in the article)

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by orwin »

rootusrootus wrote: post #60
drcongo wrote: post #56

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Initially I thought this was a bit of a silly take, but then I thought about that MBP I had with a touchbar, no escape key, stupid arrow keys that you couldn't use by feel, and a keyboard where the keys regularly got stuck or fell off.

So you're saying there's hope for Tesla after all? The latest MBP might well be the best laptop Apple has ever built, and it's definitely a contender for best laptop anyone is selling. Though admittedly 'best' does vary somewhat with context.

Personally, i think Tesla have a chance to turn back. They still have brand recognition. If they manage to get their shit together and stop with the truck nonsense, improve on their older models (Put the buttons back!) and focus on battery size/weight, they can do it.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by taylodl »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #48
zitterbewegung wrote: post #30

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Buying a Tesla is basically buying a Mac. You are not buying a car you are buying an appliance that happens to get you from point A to point B and provides neat new features. Unfortunately it makes it dangerous to do that…

I'm really glad Tesla has shown their true self over the last few years. I've been in "maybe get a new car in a year or so" mode for a few years but haven't pulled the trigger yet for a variety of reasons. When that conversation in my head started, Tesla was absolutely in the mix. Now? Maybe if you gave me one for free, but I'm sure not buying one.

I'm in the same boat. Pretty sure I'm not buying a Tesla, but also pretty sure I'll still be buying a BEV.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by yumraj »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #71
yumraj wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a roundabout, I (so as to not generalize how people drive), move my hands on the steering while turning - as in turn and then then when hands cross, adjust and turn more. As in when going anti-clockwise on a U.S. roundabout, initially the right had is on right and left on left, but while turning the hands cross (left hand on right and right on left), so you adjust and lather-rinse-repeat. (I hope I'm making sense)…

that makes sense, I am also curious how this all translates to teslas with Yolk wheels where you don't reposition on the wheel (like pictured in the article)

I have my own opinions about that, which I'm going to keep to myself at the moment since I have not actually tried that steering wheel.

For now I think a circular wheel is a better design, but I don't know.

However, the turn signal/indicator button on Yolk steering might be less of an issue, but I feel that it would still be worse than the fixed lever.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by tzs »

kuon wrote: post #37

Just to get this right. The turn signal is actually "on the wheel"? So it turns with the wheel? How is that even a thing? How are you supposed to press the button if you are in a curve? The roundabout example is a good one, there is about one every 100m here, but there are are also many highway exits which curves a lot (180° or even 270° turn) and you have two lane you have to indicate where you go. One example on th…

I didn't understand the roundabout example. I'd have expected having the buttons on the wheel to actually make the roundabout situation easier.

When I'm driving straight I can reach the turn signal stalk by extending a couple fingers while still keeping that hand holding the steering wheel with the rest of my fingers.

If I'm in a turn the wheel is rotated, and my hand might no longer be close enough to the stalk to reach it just by extending a couple of fingers. I might have to let go of the wheel with that hand.

If the buttons are on the wheel their position relative to my hand won't change when I turn the wheel, so it should be possible to make wheel based buttons that are equally easy to use and don't require releasing the wheel regardless of whether you are going straight or turning.

I can see though that it might depend on the tightness of the turn. If you are in a tight enough turn that the wheel was turned far enough that you needed to reposition your hands and then you needed to signal I think the stalk would win. With the stalk, (1) it is likely near the new position of your hands so you might be able to reach it without losing your grip, and (2) even if it is not near your hands it is in a fixed position in space relative to you so it is easy to go there.

If they want to get rid of the stalk I wonder if they considered foot switches? I remember they were fairly common up until at least the '60s for high/low beam switches, so foot switches would not be totally new territory.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by kibibu »

pintxo wrote: post #68
rootusrootus wrote: post #64

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OTOH, y'all have fog lights on the back, which is overloading the brake light function.

Usually, that’s a separate light. Although still a red one. But it’s quite clearly different, also thanks to us copying the third break light that existed in the US first.

Just FYI it's a "brake" light, not a break light

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by kuon »

tzs wrote: post #76
kuon wrote: post #37

Just to get this right. The turn signal is actually "on the wheel"? So it turns with the wheel? How is that even a thing? How are you supposed to press the button if you are in a curve? The roundabout example is a good one, there is about one every 100m here, but there are are also many highway exits which curves a lot (180° or even 270° turn) and you have two lane you have to indicate where you go. One example on th…

I didn't understand the roundabout example. I'd have expected having the buttons on the wheel to actually make the roundabout situation easier. When I'm driving straight I can reach the turn signal stalk by extending a couple fingers while still keeping that hand holding the steering wheel with the rest of my fingers. If I'm in a turn the wheel is rotated, and my hand might no longer be close enough to the stalk to r…

In a roundabout you nearly always need to reposition your hands. At least in the smaller ones there is around here. And the turn signal is important, because many roundabout have 2 lanes, and if you are in the inner lane, you really need to indicate you want to exit. Also, my technique is to keep my left hand fixed relative to the car (thus near the stalk), and grab the wheel with the right one, the wheel then slide in my left hand and if I need more force, I close my left fist on the wheel and I have one hand at the best possible position to control the wheel with two hands. Anyway, I would really hate having buttons moving with the wheel.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by kuon »

gambiting wrote: post #44
kuon wrote: post #39

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I think here (europe) the turn signal must be orange and separate from the brakes. But you still see some imported american cars from time to time.

Those cars should be modified to have separate brake/turn lights before being registered in Europe, if that didn't happen then it wasn't done fully legally(I know, I actually have a US-imported car, it had to have the rear lights cluster modified before registration book could be issued).

They are rare, but I see some from times to times. I am in switzerland, where legislation might be slightly different from EU. But they could also be illegal or just not yet modified.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by BurningFrog »

notaustinpowers wrote: post #35
BurningFrog wrote: post #22

Weird. If these turn signals are hard to use, that's an argument for teaching them in driving school.

Not really. Why train students in a Tesla with steering wheel buttons for turn signals and expect them to understand how a turn signal stalk works? Training requires standards, not exceptions.

You'd teach them both common signal UIs, of course.
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