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Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by pintxo »

hbn wrote: post #26

Speaking of bad turn signals (though in this case for other drivers, and not the driver of the vehicle), can we make it illegal for cars to only indicate from their rear by blinking the entire brake light? I think I've heard it's a requirement in some countries for the rear indicators to use the amber light alongside the brake lights, which makes a lot of sense because making the brake light serve double duty is freq…

When it comes to Europe. That’s basically illegal here. We have turns signals and break lights, neither should take the other’s job.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by yumraj »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #34
yumraj wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he also found a specific case where they are dangerous: roundabouts/ In Norway, you have to indicate your exit in a roundabout by activating your turn signal, and he found it difficult while turning the steering wheel, which you have to do in a roundabout. The article clearly articulates one scenario..

FYI, curious people can desire more description and detail than that.

Not trying to be a dick, but if one has driven on a roundabout the issue is somewhat obvious - hence my comment above.

Secondly, my comment was posted before the parent had added a note about roundabout, so my assumption was that the parent had not seen that note from the article that I had copied above.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by rootusrootus »

hbn wrote: post #26

Speaking of bad turn signals (though in this case for other drivers, and not the driver of the vehicle), can we make it illegal for cars to only indicate from their rear by blinking the entire brake light? I think I've heard it's a requirement in some countries for the rear indicators to use the amber light alongside the brake lights, which makes a lot of sense because making the brake light serve double duty is freq…

> You have to stare at the light for a couple of seconds to confirm the light is blinking because the person is signalling, and not because they tapped their brakes and you only saw a change.

I've been driving a long time, and this hasn't ever been a problem in my experience. If someone taps the brakes, both lights come on. So the only time there is ambiguity is when a brake light is burned out. Not especially common now that everyone has been switching to LEDs.

And if it takes a couple seconds to blink, something is very wrong with the car.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by rootusrootus »

pintxo wrote: post #61
hbn wrote: post #26

Speaking of bad turn signals (though in this case for other drivers, and not the driver of the vehicle), can we make it illegal for cars to only indicate from their rear by blinking the entire brake light? I think I've heard it's a requirement in some countries for the rear indicators to use the amber light alongside the brake lights, which makes a lot of sense because making the brake light serve double duty is freq…

When it comes to Europe. That’s basically illegal here. We have turns signals and break lights, neither should take the other’s job.

OTOH, y'all have fog lights on the back, which is overloading the brake light function.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by [deleted] »

barbazoo wrote: post #47
bryanlarsen wrote: post #36

Not a problem in Canada. Everybody either doesn't use turn signals, or uses turn signals wrong in roundabouts whether they are driving a Tesla or not.

Love those people that indicate left going into a roundabout, by the time I see you I don't know where you started indicating left so I have no idea where you're going :D

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Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by rootusrootus »

Given how tightly the US regulates controls in cars already, I'm a little surprised they don't have a regulation already that specifies how turn signal activation must work. I would have expected steering wheel buttons to clearly violate that reg.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by s1artibartfast »

yumraj wrote: post #62
s1artibartfast wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI, curious people can desire more description and detail than that.

Not trying to be a dick, but if one has driven on a roundabout the issue is somewhat obvious - hence my comment above. Secondly, my comment was posted before the parent had added a note about roundabout , so my assumption was that the parent had not seen that note from the article that I had copied above.

Have driven through a roundabout, still dont understand the issue. I have thumb actuated volume buttons on my steering wheel, and can use them in a turn.

I actually could see the the lever being harder.

If im going through a roundabout with my hands at 12 and 4, a shifter at 9 seems hard to actuate.

Im guessing that roundabouts in Norway are tighter than im used to, and drivers have to reset their hand position away from the button to ergonomically maintain the turn?

I couldnt see how this detail isnt obvious from the article description, especially to someone who doesnt drive.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by pintxo »

rootusrootus wrote: post #64
pintxo wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it comes to Europe. That’s basically illegal here. We have turns signals and break lights, neither should take the other’s job.

OTOH, y'all have fog lights on the back, which is overloading the brake light function.

Usually, that’s a separate light. Although still a red one.

But it’s quite clearly different, also thanks to us copying the third break light that existed in the US first.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by zitterbewegung »

bborud wrote: post #51
zitterbewegung wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buying a Tesla is basically buying a Mac. You are not buying a car you are buying an appliance that happens to get you from point A to point B and provides neat new features. Unfortunately it makes it dangerous to do that…

It is more like buying a cheap laptop and then getting the kind of attitude Apple has towards quality issues in their products. In terms of build quality, I wouldn't exactly say that Tesla have a "premium" product. Even after more than a decade in the mainstream market and impressive sales numbers.

Are you sure we are looking at the same Apple that released Macbook with one usb c port, a keyboard that everyone hated, and basically doesn’t care about thermal designs ?

I’m a Mac user but that doesn’t mean I am oblivious about their faults.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by yumraj »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #67
yumraj wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trying to be a dick, but if one has driven on a roundabout the issue is somewhat obvious - hence my comment above. Secondly, my comment was posted before the parent had added a note about roundabout , so my assumption was that the parent had not seen that note from the article that I had copied above.

Have driven through a roundabout, still dont understand the issue. I have thumb actuated volume buttons on my steering wheel, and can use them in a turn. I actually could see the the lever being harder. If im going through a roundabout with my hands at 12 and 4, a shifter at 9 seems hard to actuate. Im guessing that roundabouts in Norway are tighter than im used to, and drivers have to reset their hand position away…

In a roundabout, I (so as to not generalize how people drive), move my hands on the steering while turning - as in turn and then then when hands cross, adjust and turn more. As in when going anti-clockwise on a U.S. roundabout, initially the right had is on right and left on left, but while turning the hands cross (left hand on right and right on left), so you adjust and lather-rinse-repeat. (I hope I'm making sense).

So: the signal/indicator lever is in a fixed position which can be pressed when the correct turn/exit comes. But if the buttons are on the steering (I'm assuming 2 buttons, touch or actual doesn't matter), their position changes as the steering is rotating so I will have to take my eyes off the road and see where in the steering is the correct button and then press it. For a right exit/turn, the button may be on right, or left, or top or bottom or anywhere on the steering depending on the amount of steering turn.

This is what makes it hard/inconvenient/dangerous.

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