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American cars are huge and unsafe, but automakers don't want the simple solution

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Re: American cars are huge and unsafe, but automakers don't want the simple solution

#101

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No it doesn't. The larger vehicle in a collision is safer, but the smaller vehicle is less safe. If you buy an Expedition, you're more likely to kill a pedestrian, plus you're more likely to kill the occupants of any other vehicles you collide with. You're more likely to die in a rollover, and dont significantly affect your odds when colliding with a fixed object. Your personal risk goes down because as you say vehic…

So you do or don’t agree with my statement of “making vehicles safer for the occupants at the cost of slightly to somewhat more dangerous for non-occupants can still result in a net improvement of overall safety”?

No, you are making it far worse for people driving smaller vehicles too.

Re: American cars are huge and unsafe, but automakers don't want the simple solution

#102

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Most MPV's will have larger (and more useful) interior spaces than these warfare vehicles. Auto makers have figured out how to push our buttons and buy larger and more wasteful vehicles in what is a de facto arms race on the public road.

Perhaps, but... they are very ugly.

No, you have been socially conditioned through media that they are not aspirational and they do not transmit power and prestige.

If you are the man you must buy NewAuto TM, you wouldn't want to look weak.

Re: American cars are huge and unsafe, but automakers don't want the simple solution

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IJS what we now call “Full Size” like the Impala, we used to refer to as “Compact” up till the early 90s.

>we used to refer to as “Compact” up till the early 90s. source?

What were considered "compact" or "sub-compact" cars in the 1970s, if not the 1980s, were often close to the size of "full-sized" sedans today.

The 1970's Ford Maverick, for example, is described on Wikipedia as a "subcompact", at just under 180" (15', or 4.5 m) length.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Maverick_(1970%E2%80%9319...>

Full-sized U.S. cars were large up until the oil embargos of the 1970s, and even then it took most of a decade for Detroit to start marketing smaller cars. The Ford LTD (a large full-sized car) was 224" (17'4") long, and simply massive.

There was a pretty radical re-basing of automobile sizes beginning in the late 1970s and continuing through the 1980s / early 1990s.

Re: American cars are huge and unsafe, but automakers don't want the simple solution

#104

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So you do or don’t agree with my statement of “making vehicles safer for the occupants at the cost of slightly to somewhat more dangerous for non-occupants can still result in a net improvement of overall safety”?

No, you are making it far worse for people driving smaller vehicles too.

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Re: American cars are huge and unsafe, but automakers don't want the simple solution

#105

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Perhaps, but... they are very ugly.

No, you have been socially conditioned through media that they are not aspirational and they do not transmit power and prestige. If you are the man you must buy NewAuto TM, you wouldn't want to look weak.

This is basically fortune cookie wisdom. Sounds intelligent, has zero evidence to back it up.

Re: American cars are huge and unsafe, but automakers don't want the simple solution

#106

Pretty slanted. Could write a complementary article: large cars are safer for the passengers. Why don't we keep pedestrians separate from traffic more effectively?

Large cars aren't inherently safer for passengers. They are only safer in collisions with other cars that are smaller, at the expense of the safety of the people in the smaller cars. Having an arms race where people buy bigger and bigger cars to be safer in collisions with other cars is really not ideal, because it doesn't improve overall automobile safety on a national level even just for drivers, and it hurts safet…

Isn't that just not true? Larger cars have steel cages, stronger supports, higher off the ground. Actual frames, steel shell and not aluminum.

Re: American cars are huge and unsafe, but automakers don't want the simple solution

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Fair point. I had a friend with a rear wheel drive BMW sports car. Great looking car, but he kept it in the garage in winter, after he spun out a few times on icy roads. Also the car had a hard time clearing even a modest snow fall. Can cars be made to outperform SUVs in winter driving? Probably. But I wrote in reference to the market average car vs the average suv. There's probably at least $10k price difference the…

Which SUVs did you own out of curiosity?

jeep cherokee and a ford edge

Re: American cars are huge and unsafe, but automakers don't want the simple solution

#109

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No, you have been socially conditioned through media that they are not aspirational and they do not transmit power and prestige. If you are the man you must buy NewAuto TM, you wouldn't want to look weak.

This is basically fortune cookie wisdom. Sounds intelligent, has zero evidence to back it up.

You might want to read up on Clotaire Rapaile, who is the de facto father of the modern SUV and record margins per vehicle for american auto brands.

One could argue quackery but this is C-level paying millions in consultancy fees quackery.

"Rapaille no longer sees patients. He doesn't need to, because he's paid well to supply his insights to corporate America - and lives in baronial splendor outside of New York City.

Apart from Ford, GM and Chrysler, he's advised companies like Kelloggs, Kraft, and Proctor & Gamble. They pay him to get inside the deepest recesses of our brains. In fact, he's known as the "car shrink" in Detroit." [0]

"The notion of need is very, very interesting. Because what do we really need, you see? I need food, I need water. I need shelter," says Rapaille. "And you know that, but then there are other needs, needs of identity. Needs of communication. Needs of being loved, being respected."[0]

"Why do you buy a car that doesn't even make 10 miles per gallon, doesn't fit into your garage? Do you really need that? And you don't need that intellectually," he says. "But at [...] the deepest part of you, the gut level if you want, you feel like you need that."[0]

"I don't believe what people say. They have a good alibi. They have a way to explain things to make them feel comfortable about what they're to do anyways," says Rapaille, who believes it's now considered hip to appear ready to take on anything.[0]

[0] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-thrill-of-the-suv/

Re: American cars are huge and unsafe, but automakers don't want the simple solution

#110

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This is basically fortune cookie wisdom. Sounds intelligent, has zero evidence to back it up.

You might want to read up on Clotaire Rapaile, who is the de facto father of the modern SUV and record margins per vehicle for american auto brands. One could argue quackery but this is C-level paying millions in consultancy fees quackery. "Rapaille no longer sees patients. He doesn't need to, because he's paid well to supply his insights to corporate America - and lives in baronial splendor outside of New York City.…

So he's the shrink for the car companies that go bankrupt.
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