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Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers
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Sure. Nobody said you get citizenship. Just a work visa not tied to an employer.
Work visas and education visas are two different things that should be treated separately.
> Work visas and education visas are two different things that should be treated separately
It makes zero sense to educate kids and then force them to grow those fruits abroad. If we’re going to teach them, it makes sense to give them a chance to work here applying their new skills. This is such low-hanging win-win fruit.
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It’s pretty simple - software engineering compensation can be 2x-4x or more in the US compared to other western democracies. Money circumvents a lot of the problems you describe.
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Not any more than other patent applicants. Currently all the layers in patent application process is incentivized to ignore quality. 1. Large companies pay a bonus for every patent applied and bigger one for approval. 2. Patent lawyers are paid for filed patents. 3. Patent office makes money on each patent. They view the review process as a cost center and optimize it for fast approval.
really, how much do large companies pay per patent? any data points?
I've seen about $5k in the past. But I haven't worked at a large company for a while.
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As a US citizen interested in improving the visa process who regularly interfaces with policymakers, propose an objective rubric that is better and I will get it in front of policymakers. Can't guarantee an outcome, will guarantee the effort. Patent quota is bullshit, but also "I know talent when I see it" (even though I do and how I hire) isn't going to fly. Sorting hats are hard, Goodhart's Law, etc. High level, yo…
I’m an American (born here), but I’ve felt our skilled immigration policies are wrong-headed for a while, especially after dealing with them as a hiring manager. Broadly speaking, I feel we need a better focus on a) getting people who have the skills that our businesses need and b) naturalizing those people as US citizens who are willing to commit their whole careers to our country. The H1-B system seems to be the wo…
Most immigration to the U.S. is through "family reunification".
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You should not take every immigrant. Take immigrants who bring their skills and productivity to you. Don't make their lives difficult with unnecessary hoops to jump through. Skilled immigration is not asylum or illegal immigration.
Well they are taking 100s of thousands immigrants as they see reasonable. What is problem with following established rules and timelines? Immigrants would surely be aware of those before even thinking of immigration. Besides if Europe / Australia / Canada have much simpler immigration why would any skilled/productive prospective immigrant would even think of US.
1. The problem with established rules and timelines is they are have been outdated for decades and do not reflect the reality we live in. If the same logic was applied to federal minimum wage, it would never be raised because the number has been well established at an arbitrary time in the past. That is surely not the case and hence timely revisions are necessary.
2. Immigrants are absolutely aware of this. That is reason why overall skilled immigration has not grown by leaps and bounds in the last few years like it did decades ago. US is no longer the top destination of choice for international students in STEM fields. It is only a matter of time that you'd see the effects on overall productivity. The Social Security Administration is already hinting towards this future. The funds are supposed to run out by 2041 (reference https://www.ssa.gov/newsletter/Statement%20Insert%2025+.pdf ) . Quoting from the document ".. the birth rate is low, the ratio of workers to beneficiaries is falling.." . The US simply doesn't have enough productive people to fund benefits for the population for the coming decades.
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Trump attempted to implement a points based system and was met with fierce resistance: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/05/17/key-facts... https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/08/06/h-1b-...
The utility of a point system is that it makes the criteria legible—the problem wasn't the fact that it was a points system, the problem was in the details of the system. The second link you posted lists a large number of anti-immigrant ideas that Trump had. That was the general tenor of his administration as I personally experienced it: rhetoric about unauthorized immigration, actions against legal immigrants. (I us…
This is a strange comment to read since, as far as I recall, the only details that were ever really shared before the overall plan was killed due to its political backlash are that it would be merits-based considering age, ability to speak English, job offers, and educational background and that it would shift the number of green cards away from being primarily awarded based on family ties to this new merit system. Democrats rejected even discussing the proposal out of hand. Some quotes from https://apple.news/ABYsQ0lE-RFWj_S5pwuFq5w :
On the other side of the aisle, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) called Trump’s offering a “dead-on-arrival plan that is not a remotely serious proposal.” And Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) slammed it as a “despicable abdication of moral authority” that would have kept Blumenthal’s own immigrant father from entering the United States.
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Democrats on Thursday also took issue with the White House’s characterization of the kind of immigrants who bring “merit” to the United States.
“It is really a condescending word,” Pelosi said at her weekly news conference on Thursday morning. “Are they saying family is without merit?”
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> your resume didn't reflect One observation I've made throughout the years of reviewing tech resumes - if I get a resume from a U.S. citizen, I (and anybody else) immediately know the difference between MIT/Stanford vs. "The University of Wisconsin" without even researching it. OTOH, I have no idea what the difference between the University of Hyderabad vs. the University of New Delhi, and there's not really a good…
No wonder they can't find workers, if from a nation of 334 million, all but ~16k/year [1] are considered substandard because they couldn't get into an Ivy. Edit: More relevant is comparing Ivy undergrads (64.5k) to all US undergrads (20.3 million) [2], meaning only the top 0.3% make the cut. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League - total number of undergrads (64.5k), divided by 4, assuming a 4-year college cour…
Our EM was from a CSU.
We didn't discriminate based on educational program.
But we didn't have the time to train someone in eBPF or OS Internals from scratch over months when there are competitors in Israel or India able to release the same thing in the same time period with a fraction of the cost.
For certain specialities of tech, there simply isn't the skill set anymore in the US. OS Internals and Computer Networking is a great example of that.
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We listed all these jobs remotely. There just aren't that many engineers who know OS Internals, eBPF, or XDP in Indiana compared to Tel Aviv or Bangalore.
I guarantee you theres tons of engineers with backgrounds in O.S./Networking that could learn those things very quickly. I bet most people working in it learned on the job. The certainly dont teach every single specific detail of the entire tech industry in universities. This is just gaslighting.
> could learn those things very quickly
Maybe.
We didn't have the time to risk on hiring a dud in an industry as competitive as Cybersecurity.
When competing with Israeli and Indian companies who are able to tap the Israeli, Eastern European, and Indian talent scene where such skills are much more common, we don't have the time to risk timelines falling behind.