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Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #45

Life in prison for up to $10m in damages? At first I thought the number must be off by a factor of 10. I couldn’t help but see Dr Evil for a moment. These are at best property crimes, and while the sums are non trivial, sentencing children to indefinite imprisonment for a nonviolent crime against a megacorp is unconscionable.

It's really interesting that if a company causes $10M in damages to people, they get a fine and no one is actually punished.

If a person causes $10M in damages to a company, they go to jail for life.

It's almost as if the justice system is less focused on being "just" and more focused on serving a class of people.

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Post by [deleted] »

RecycledEle wrote: post #256
mathgradthrow wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"empathy impairment" is a fundamental feature of autism. It's not stigma. It'a not universal, but it is a major part of why it's a disorder in the first place.

As someone with autism, I lack empathy for (most) fake situations. Once I realized therapists and their ilk were lying about sad stories, I stopped having empathy for those sad situations. Ditto for fake news stories. Only mentally unfit people can pass a therapist's tests and be empathetic for people they know do not exist.

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #319
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #305

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There has been such enforcement while people are on probation, I don't see why it couldn't be longterm.

That requires voluntary compliance from the offender. He was already released on bail with that condition, and that's when he hacked Rockstar. He has also told the court that he would continue hacking if released.

> That requires voluntary compliance from the offender.

Not it doesn't, it just requires more supervision from his probation officer or whatever. Put him on house arrest with an ankle bracelet, it's still better than being in a psych ward.

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Post by hackinthebochs »

ametrau wrote: post #311
nickthegreek wrote: post #206

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This is an 18 year old adult.

No one is adult at 18. Your brain is not mature fully until 25. Anyone who has experienced the age and has normal intelligence knows this.

Ackshully, executive function (what we really care about) hits max and stabilizes at around 18: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F92-L1sXUAAXjkf?format=jpg&name=...

Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-42540-8

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Post by pushfoo »

mathgradthrow wrote: post #246
aszantu wrote: post #128

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autism doesn't mean he doesn't have emotions

"empathy impairment" is a fundamental feature of autism. It's not stigma. It'a not universal, but it is a major part of why it's a disorder in the first place.

TL;DR: that's an outdated idea with an ever-growing body of research refuting it

Autistic and neurotypical people can empathize with others like them, but have trouble between the groups [1]. This is called the "double-empathy problem" by the paper which proposed the idea [2]. More recent papers explore subjects such as information transfer accuracy [3] with the same results: autistic participants understand each other perfectly well when allowed to use their preferred means of communication, as do neurotypicals. However, the two groups have trouble understanding each other. Further work extends this to a generalized model with extremely unsurprising results: people tend to be closer with people who think like them [4].

[1] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10803-015-2662-8

[2] https://kar.kent.ac.uk/62639/

[3] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1362361320919286

[4] https://academic.oup.com/scan/article/16/1-2/222/5940490

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Post by sophyphreak »

wolverine876 wrote: post #217

Arion needs help, including care for his autism. What a painful, horrible way to live every day (effectively untreated autism). He's in this situation because he did not have proper help. What a nightmare for him. Clearly he has some drive that he satisfies by hacking. Good care will help him identify that drive and direct it toward something healthy. Where are his family? Has he been walking around with this illness…

I'm going to say this as kindly as I can, though truthfully, I'm seething. I understand you're trying to be kind and empathetic. I feel for this dude too. But the way you're expressing your thoughts is hurtful, and I ask you to try to learn why. Here's a pretty good article from a mainstream website that talks about ableism and how expressing feelings of pity can be an expression of ableism. https://www.healthline.com/health/what-is-ableism There is no such thing as "untreated autism" because Autism is not a disease. We do need assistance, but much more of what we need--according to modern science--is acceptance and inclusion. Please try to educate yourself on the dangers of ableism, and how it can and does harm us.

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Post by switch007 »

nicklecompte wrote: post #103
switch007 wrote: post #74

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The BBC regularly updates headlines after publication (A/B testing for clicks) so it's possible it was the BBC, not the poster.

Wow - I checked the Internet Archive and you are correct, the "sentenced to life in hospital prison" headline was used when the article was originally published. I stopped reading BBC a while ago because of their sloppy standards but this is unusually bad. FWIW in this case I would suppose the BBC online editor was careless and fixed their mistake, versus "A/B testing for clicks" generally. If it was A/B testing, the…

Indeed I didn’t mean to imply they don’t also fix and tweak for legitimate editorial reasons

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Post by kar5pt »

What bothers me about this isn't that he was committed to a "hospital" (read: jail for mentally ill people).

What bothers me is that the sentence is indefinite. The judge can give him a life sentence for what wouldn't normally justify a life sentence because he's calling it "medicine". The hospital commitment shouldn't be able to last longer than the sentence he would receive if he was neurotypical.

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

imtringued wrote: post #301
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #178

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Empathy, not emotions. Empathy: the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

I don't know about you, but if I said someone doesn't have empathy I would think that I'm the one lacking it, since I can't possibly imagine understanding that person or their feelings.

I feel empathetic to you.
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