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Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

#201

He is a danger to crappy security and those that fear free thinkers like him. There ought to be laws against locking people like him up. Rockstar said it cost them thousands of hours to recover...they could have asked him, and it might have cost them orders of magnitude less. Rockstar has hired the wrong people, lol.

"The court heard that Kurtaj had been violent while in custody, with dozens of reports of injury or property damage."

Not exactly "did nothing wrong".

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#202

> He will remain at a secure hospital for life unless doctors deem him no longer a danger, Southwark crown court heard on Thursday. For life, haha. Probably a few months at most. > Many young people wish to explore how technology works and what vulnerabilities exist. This can include learning to code, interacting with like-minded individuals online and experimenting with tools. Learning to code and experimenting is w…

You don't understand. Britain respects some basic rights for those considered dangerously bad, but not the "dangerously mad". I worked as a paper pusher in the UK's mental health appeal system. If they think the patient continues to present a risk of harm to others, there is no escape. It's extremely hard for a patient to convince others they're safe. Many stay in for many more decades than they would have done in pr…

I mean, stills seems way ahead of the US where someone like him would just be thrown in genpop with no special protections at all.

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

#203

> He will remain at a secure hospital for life unless doctors deem him no longer a danger, Southwark crown court heard on Thursday. For life, haha. Probably a few months at most. > Many young people wish to explore how technology works and what vulnerabilities exist. This can include learning to code, interacting with like-minded individuals online and experimenting with tools. Learning to code and experimenting is w…

[According to the article] He has acute autism, is violent in custody and expressed intent to continue comitting crimes. This isn't just "some kid with potential" – he will end up in prison sooner of later, which will be an especially hellish place for someone like that to be. I hope he gets the help he needs. Maybe courtesy of certain British spooky agencies.

> He has acute autism, is violent in custody...

Are the two related? Or is his case autism and something is making him violent?

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#204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

autism doesn't mean he doesn't have emotions

He may have emotions but certainly he doesn't care about those of others and the damage he can provoke. He actually wants to continue to be a criminal. FTA: A mental health assessment used as part of the sentencing hearing said he "continued to express the intent to return to cyber-crime as soon as possible. He is highly motivated." The guy needs help because he's autistic, and watched closely because he's also a soc…

Plenty of people want to commit crimes that aren't sociopaths.

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note the violence. This is a person that can't control themselves when things don't go their way.

This is an 18 year old kid.

The idea that we should, to some extent, excuse physical violence for 18-year-olds is disturbing.

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#207

Life in prison for up to $10m in damages? At first I thought the number must be off by a factor of 10. I couldn’t help but see Dr Evil for a moment. These are at best property crimes, and while the sums are non trivial, sentencing children to indefinite imprisonment for a nonviolent crime against a megacorp is unconscionable.

No, not life in prison. Detention in a psychiatric hospital for an autistic person who is violently attacking other people. > dozens of reports of injury or property damage

Though we don't consider it such, because we accept that police are needed to maintain some level of order and it's not good when people resist arrest, the violence was more or less in self-defense.

I think there's a huge difference between someone (especially someone with "severe autism") lashing out when getting more or less abducted and removed from a familiar environment by force (even if we'd prefer they stay calm) and someone attacking someone else out of the blue.

What do you want to bet they didn't follow best practices for arresting an autistic person?

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#208
post #201

He is a danger to crappy security and those that fear free thinkers like him. There ought to be laws against locking people like him up. Rockstar said it cost them thousands of hours to recover...they could have asked him, and it might have cost them orders of magnitude less. Rockstar has hired the wrong people, lol.

"The court heard that Kurtaj had been violent while in custody, with dozens of reports of injury or property damage." Not exactly "did nothing wrong".

not exactly an unbiased or referenced report, either.

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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post #179

>>As well as hacking offences the boy was sentenced for what the judge described as "unpleasant and frightening pattern of stalking and harassment" of two young women. Bunch of people on here are defending him, please justify this for me.

Edit: Actually, FTA that's a different (17-year-old) boy.

Ok that's dramatically worse. Still not sure "indefinite detention" is the right call, but that's absolutely a more significant crime.

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

#210

Absolutely monumental waste of talent. Reminds me of how I got expelled from high school for "hacking" into their terrible infrastructure (without causing any damage whatsoever, other than to their pride). They threw the book at me. Threatened felonies. Were going on and on about how I will never vote, never be able to work as a postal worker etc. Get this kid into the right environment and he would probably be able…

Now imagine you found leverage with your hack and you demanded $4M or else.
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