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Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Someone should hire him as a white hat. Maybe they have some kind of custodial guardianship where the employer can monitor him staying clean.

How about the British intelligence apparatus? Seems like a person they would be very interested in acquiring.

Also seems like the sort of person who would leak everything, and not just for some principled whistleblower reasons, but "for teh lulz" or whatever.

Trust is more important than ability.

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>>As well as hacking offences the boy was sentenced for what the judge described as "unpleasant and frightening pattern of stalking and harassment" of two young women. Bunch of people on here are defending him, please justify this for me.

he's an 18 year old autistic kid - you've never made mistakes in your younger years? why are we so quick to dismiss an entire human life as worthless? people only learn when others are strong enough to teach them.

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Not sure if I'd call that severe autism. That's psychopathic behavior, when you don't feel any remorse for your crimes.

I don't feel remorse for his crimes. Am I a psychopath? Hacking a game company just so you can show people what is being worked on should not be a crime .

It's my computer, or rockstar's computer, or whatever. You have no right to access any of it. Whether it's a stupid game or something serious doesn't matter; that's for me to decide, not you.

The only exception here is good-faith intrusion testing and the like, but fundamentally: my property, none of your business, misusing my property is a crime.

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post #179

>>As well as hacking offences the boy was sentenced for what the judge described as "unpleasant and frightening pattern of stalking and harassment" of two young women. Bunch of people on here are defending him, please justify this for me.

he's an 18 year old autistic kid - you've never made mistakes in your younger years? why are we so quick to dismiss an entire human life as worthless? people only learn when others are strong enough to teach them.

No one's dismissing his life as worthless, they're just being clear-eyed about his behavior. It's one thing to be young and creep someone out because you're maladjusted and sexually frustrated. It's another to actually stalk and harass people and announce your intention to commit crimes. Your theory of learning is also opposite my experience; people only learn things when they decide to. Can you find any examples of someone really internalizing a lesson they didn't want to learn?

From what I've read about this kid and his activities, this isn't some youthful prank that got blown out of proportion, the group he was part of was gleefully mocking and extorting their victims.

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If course it isn't. Neurodivergence is a reality . Our justice system can do better than be ignorant of it. Our justice system can do better than to escalate its symptoms. As a participant in democracy, I will accept no lower standard for justice. This person wasn't killing people. He was looking at secrets. There are people who don't understand that murder is wrong, and those people need to be institutionalized for…

This person was robbing and blackmailing people. The justice system serves to prevent these actions, and should do so no matter what the mental state of the criminal is. Is your honest solution just to let them continue doing that as an accommodation for their disability?

You are reading my comments with the most uncharitable perspective possible.

I don't advocate that we legalize blackmail or theft. I also don't advocate that we punish either with a life sentence.

My point here is that he wasn't even charged for the theft or the blackmail. He was charged for the hacking.

My criticism is directed at the justice system itself. Reading secrets should not carry a life sentence. Ever.

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> He will remain at a secure hospital for life unless doctors deem him no longer a danger, Southwark crown court heard on Thursday.

For life, haha. Probably a few months at most.

> Many young people wish to explore how technology works and what vulnerabilities exist. This can include learning to code, interacting with like-minded individuals online and experimenting with tools.

Learning to code and experimenting is wayyyy beyond what topic OP is doing.

Personally I don't really care. Rockstar has a grip on it. I'm proud of this fellow for finding and exploiting holes. Yes, he should have gone through proper channels. But he is also just a kid and likely don't understand responsible disclosure.

The target person in this article should be educated and administered. They clearly have a lot of potential. Limiting them is not the way to go.

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This person was robbing and blackmailing people. The justice system serves to prevent these actions, and should do so no matter what the mental state of the criminal is. Is your honest solution just to let them continue doing that as an accommodation for their disability?

You are reading my comments with the most uncharitable perspective possible. I don't advocate that we legalize blackmail or theft. I also don't advocate that we punish either with a life sentence . My point here is that he wasn't even charged for the theft or the blackmail. He was charged for the hacking . My criticism is directed at the justice system itself. Reading secrets should not carry a life sentence. Ever.

>You are reading my comments with the most uncharitable perspective possible.

Im sorry if thats the case and I am trying. unfortunately, I didnt get that from your prior posts and this response as a complete nonquitter.

Maybe it stems from a different understanding of the underlying facts. The perp was not sentenced to life in any way, just custody until they stop claiming they will commit more crimes upon release.

In general, I agree a life sentence would be unreasonably harsh for hacking or reading secrets in isolation.

Charges and conditions of release can be unrelated. You may be placed into custody for hacking, but not release if you say you will commit a more serious crime immediately after.

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he's an 18 year old autistic kid - you've never made mistakes in your younger years? why are we so quick to dismiss an entire human life as worthless? people only learn when others are strong enough to teach them.

No one's dismissing his life as worthless, they're just being clear-eyed about his behavior. It's one thing to be young and creep someone out because you're maladjusted and sexually frustrated. It's another to actually stalk and harass people and announce your intention to commit crimes. Your theory of learning is also opposite my experience; people only learn things when they decide to. Can you find any examples of…

All of this can be rationalized. We all do dumb shit, and can learn to see things in a new light. What you say about learning has some truths but you need an externality to show you what you’re missing, to shift your viewpoint. You don’t go from rock bottom to sudden realization all on your own. A switch doesn’t flip in your mind. It comes from the outside world, not within.

And a lot of folks are dismissing this persons life in the thread.

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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No one's dismissing his life as worthless, they're just being clear-eyed about his behavior. It's one thing to be young and creep someone out because you're maladjusted and sexually frustrated. It's another to actually stalk and harass people and announce your intention to commit crimes. Your theory of learning is also opposite my experience; people only learn things when they decide to. Can you find any examples of…

All of this can be rationalized. We all do dumb shit, and can learn to see things in a new light. What you say about learning has some truths but you need an externality to show you what you’re missing, to shift your viewpoint. You don’t go from rock bottom to sudden realization all on your own. A switch doesn’t flip in your mind. It comes from the outside world, not within. And a lot of folks are dismissing this per…

I agree that people, including criminals, should be nurtured and given the opportunity to learn and grow. But all society can do is provide the conditions for growth while protecting itself from people who can't, won't, or haven't yet.
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