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Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Post by wolverine876 »

TylerE wrote: post #201
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #197

He is a danger to crappy security and those that fear free thinkers like him. There ought to be laws against locking people like him up. Rockstar said it cost them thousands of hours to recover...they could have asked him, and it might have cost them orders of magnitude less. Rockstar has hired the wrong people, lol.

"The court heard that Kurtaj had been violent while in custody, with dozens of reports of injury or property damage." Not exactly "did nothing wrong".

I wouldn't take that at face value - like accusations of resisting arrest - and to the degree it's true, what kinds of injury and property damage, a scratch and a broken glass?

If the violence was so horrible, has he been charged or convicted for it?

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Post by squigz »

happytoexplain wrote: post #205
squigz wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an 18 year old kid.

The idea that we should, to some extent, excuse physical violence for 18-year-olds is disturbing.

I don't believe I advocated for excusing their behavior, but I don't think it's fair to label a kid as "a violent person who can't control themselves"

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Post by lijok »

whalesalad wrote: post #127

Absolutely monumental waste of talent. Reminds me of how I got expelled from high school for "hacking" into their terrible infrastructure (without causing any damage whatsoever, other than to their pride). They threw the book at me. Threatened felonies. Were going on and on about how I will never vote, never be able to work as a postal worker etc. Get this kid into the right environment and he would probably be able…

“this kid” calls the company and spins webs of lies until someone gives him access to internal systems; a.k.a social engineering. Nothing of value has been lost.

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Post by tuukkah »

Ralo wrote: post #112
mk_stjames wrote: post #83

I'd really like to hear more about the type of exploits here. Like, what level- Are we saying this kid is so brilliant he is writing zero-days for getting into corporate networks or if this a case of a guy in a good script-kiddie type group running phishing deals where they fire off 100000 emails a day and wait for someone to give up their logic credentials. Because if it is the former it's really hard for me to unde…

I don't remember where I read this, but I remember hearing that they offer to buy credentials from rogue employees.

This says you can buy stolen Slack login cookies for $10: https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kvkqb/how-ea-games-was-hack...

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Post by wolverine876 »

theultdev wrote: post #59
keep_reading wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You see all those homeless people? The tent cities? That's because they have nowhere to go anymore. A ton of those people are mentally ill. Yes, those mental hospitals were terribly run. But we need to create a safe place for these people. We can't just give up because of mistakes made in the past. https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/06/health-beat-bring-back-the...

all those homeless is incredibly generalizing, there's many reasons to be homeless. but the top ones are drugs and mental illness. many are drug addicted, they would have somewhere to go but they opted out of society (well, they aren't in the forest so not full opt-out) but yes a combination of state run rehab / mental hospitals seems to be the only solution, but is it done by force? if it's not forced you'll have a…

> all those homeless is incredibly generalizing, there's many reasons to be homeless. but the top ones are drugs and mental illness.

Do you know that? In the US, I read (several years ago) that the top reason was losing your home to medical bills.

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Post by wolverine876 »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #14
Der_Einzige wrote: post #4

Stuff like this is why I’m glad Ken Kessey’s “one flew over the cuckoos nest” become popular and helped remove government mental hospitals from being a serious consideration in the USA. This kid needs to be cultivated, not institutionalized. (Edit: never mind, seems he IS a menace to society)

Did you miss the part about assaulting staff and property destruction. What about the part where he continued hacking after being busted the first time and released on bail. Its pretty clear that the kid poses a danger and doesn't understand that he needs to stop. This isn't a youthful prank/indiscretion that went too far. This kid was on trial for causing millions in damages, and then did it again while on trial. Ye…

> this kid is incredibly destructive

Incredibly? There are many kids that age who murder and commit other serious felonies.

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Post by wolverine876 »

Arion needs help, including care for his autism. What a painful, horrible way to live every day (effectively untreated autism). He's in this situation because he did not have proper help. What a nightmare for him.

Clearly he has some drive that he satisfies by hacking. Good care will help him identify that drive and direct it toward something healthy.

Where are his family? Has he been walking around with this illness, as a child, alone in the world? How heartbreaking. We've embraced contempt for humanity and human rights, and this is a result.

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Post by alephnerd »

whalesalad wrote: post #135
LorenPechtel wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note the violence. This is a person that can't control themselves when things don't go their way.

> dozens of reports of injury or property damage. Eh, this is not outside the realm of expectations for an autistic teenager. Anyone locked in a cage will lash out, especially if they have neurological issues. There is a way to harness this energy regardless.

> not outside the realm of expectations for an autistic teenager

That's very dismissive of people with ASD.

There are plenty of people with ASD all over the spectrum, but most of them aren't violent.

That in itself is enough of a reason for Kurtaj to be in medical holding, especially given his track record for stalking and harassing women.

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Post by whalesalad »

lijok wrote: post #213
whalesalad wrote: post #127

Absolutely monumental waste of talent. Reminds me of how I got expelled from high school for "hacking" into their terrible infrastructure (without causing any damage whatsoever, other than to their pride). They threw the book at me. Threatened felonies. Were going on and on about how I will never vote, never be able to work as a postal worker etc. Get this kid into the right environment and he would probably be able…

“this kid” calls the company and spins webs of lies until someone gives him access to internal systems; a.k.a social engineering. Nothing of value has been lost.

Getting in is getting in. Social engineering is like 90% of hacking.

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Post by alephnerd »

squigz wrote: post #180
LorenPechtel wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note the violence. This is a person that can't control themselves when things don't go their way.

This is an 18 year old kid.

We were all 18 year olds, but we (hopefully) never stalked and harassed women, as is noted in TFA.

And don't use autism as an excuse - my mother teaches autistic teenagers and none of them have committed amoral stuff such as violence and harassment.

Also, an 18 year old is an adult.

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