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Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Post by dghlsakjg »

serialNumber wrote: post #25
dghlsakjg wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you miss the part about assaulting staff and property destruction. What about the part where he continued hacking after being busted the first time and released on bail. Its pretty clear that the kid poses a danger and doesn't understand that he needs to stop. This isn't a youthful prank/indiscretion that went too far. This kid was on trial for causing millions in damages, and then did it again while on trial. Ye…

being sentenced to life for hacking is out of proportion

He wasn’t sentenced to life.

He was ordered to remain under supervised medical care until a doctor determines that he is mentally fit to stop causing harm. This is as a result of both his hacking, his assaults on caretakers and destruction of physical property.

He also told the court that if he was released he would go right back to doing crimes.

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Post by thomastjeffery »

mise_en_place wrote: post #77
jvanderbot wrote: post #30

Did anyone here read TFA? He was apparently shown to be a member of a cyber "gang", and expressed zero remorse. In this case, a judge basically has to do something. > A mental health assessment used as part of the sentencing hearing said he "continued to express the intent to return to cybercrime as soon as possible. He is highly motivated." The guy was already on bail for another hack: > The jury was told that while…

Not sure if I'd call that severe autism. That's psychopathic behavior, when you don't feel any remorse for your crimes.

I don't feel remorse for his crimes. Am I a psychopath?

Hacking a game company just so you can show people what is being worked on should not be a crime.

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Post by mk_stjames »

I'd really like to hear more about the type of exploits here. Like, what level- Are we saying this kid is so brilliant he is writing zero-days for getting into corporate networks or if this a case of a guy in a good script-kiddie type group running phishing deals where they fire off 100000 emails a day and wait for someone to give up their logic credentials.

Because if it is the former it's really hard for me to understand how that is still even possible in this day and age. Autism, brilliance, or whatever... a 17 year old breaking into systems like they are as exploitable as early 90's systems sounds just insane to me.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

imglorp wrote: post #51
jvanderbot wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From TFA, and given prior hacks, he's very skilled.

Someone should hire him as a white hat. Maybe they have some kind of custodial guardianship where the employer can monitor him staying clean.

That would be interested, but is impossible as long as they refuse to avoid crime and state that they plan to commit more at the first opportunity

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Post by mise_en_place »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #82
mise_en_place wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if I'd call that severe autism. That's psychopathic behavior, when you don't feel any remorse for your crimes.

I don't feel remorse for his crimes. Am I a psychopath? Hacking a game company just so you can show people what is being worked on should not be a crime .

The Rockstar breach was just one instance of criminal behavior. This individual is clearly dangerous and should not be allowed back into society. There is a pattern of blatant disregard of the law, it's not like he's a grey-hat or even black-hat security researcher.

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Post by thomastjeffery »

qeternity wrote: post #23
Nextgrid wrote: post #15

Life in prison for non-violent crime clearly sounds like revenge and sour grapes. The big guys clearly don't appreciate having their insecurity being exposed this way (keep in mind none of these hacks required any significant technical skills), and too many people would lose face. Something had to be done, so here it is. The disparity of this punishment compared to what is usually given out for similar crimes (in the…

It’s not life in prison. He’s being confined to a mental institution due to severe autism. It’s unlikely that he can be rehabilitated and would remain a cyber security threat to society if released in the future. This is hardly revenge.

It's not just unlikely. It's unexpected.

To me, that presents an issue with the system, not its participants.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

ipaddr wrote: post #54
neilkk wrote: post #34

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I don't think this is fair. Another underage person found guilty of the same hacks got an 18-month rehabilitation order. This basically means severe restrictions on going out and computer use together with involvement and monitoring by social workers. This seems perfectly appropriate. They're not having decades of their life taken away from them, and they're not locked up with hardened criminals who would either vict…

In what world do you live in where getting too many parking tickets and causing violence gets you life in prison until an unknown paid state employee decides you took all non-necessary meds and drank the kool-aid? If someone was killed they would get out a certain date. The judge should have to suffer the same fate before he can order this.

If someone openly and repeatedly said they plan to kill more as soon as they are released, they would be in a similar situation.

It is pretty rare that the convinced don't at least lie about intentions to commit more crime

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Post by yegle »

A_Duck wrote: post #5

> Despite having his laptop confiscated, Kurtaj managed to breach Rockstar, the company behind GTA, using an Amazon Firestick, his hotel TV and a mobile phone. Damn! Approaching https://xkcd.com/378/ ...

If you have a phone with an SSH client, and access to a server, for many that's equivalent to having a full functioning PC for hacking purposes?

If this is an Android phone with a rooted system (or even just a locked phone with Termux), you can even skip the SSH server.

Not saying this is unimpressive though.

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Post by TriangleEdge »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #45

Life in prison for up to $10m in damages? At first I thought the number must be off by a factor of 10. I couldn’t help but see Dr Evil for a moment. These are at best property crimes, and while the sums are non trivial, sentencing children to indefinite imprisonment for a nonviolent crime against a megacorp is unconscionable.

Seem to me like the prosecution is irrationally scared of something they don't understand. When personal data is leaked, no one gives a shit. I got downvoted to smithereens for commenting on HN that I thought the post about Steve Wozniac being in the hospital was perverted. But if you leak something from a business, then life in prison?

People value their life at about $10m. There's a video I found interesting on a YT channel called practical engineering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQbaVdge7kU.

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