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Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by turquoisevar »

bsder wrote: post #366
reportingsjr wrote: post #327

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This is basically how USB C became a thing. A group of engineers at Google created the connector design and then gave it to the USB standards body to use as the next gen.

Citation, please. More bluntly: I simply don't believe you. Google has absolutely none of the expertise required to put such a connector together. It requires a very specific set of skills in chip design, signal integrity, and connector design which Google has none of.

There was a similar rumor making the rounds about Apple, spurred by Gruber.

But 9to5 Mac did some sleuthing and it seems that, in the case of Apple, it’s not entirely truthful: https://9to5mac.com/2015/03/14/apple-invent-usb-type-c/

Google also doesn’t seem to have fulfilled a bigger role than Apple did.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by shiftpgdn »

akouri wrote: post #370
shiftpgdn wrote: post #221

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In states where they are registered as an energy provider? A lot. A 10-80% charge will net Tesla $20. Comparatively a gas station that refills a midsize car with a 20 gallon tank will only net $6.

I think you mean it will _gross_ Tesla $20. From my research, Tesla is (currently) not making much on energy delivered. That _will_ certainly change in the future though.

Using Texas as an example:

10-80% on a Model S/X is 70kwh. Rate billed to customers will vary from 30-50c/kwh at time of charge. Spot in Texas typically ranges from 5c to 15c/kwh. Assuming charge equipment is fully depreciated all they need to pay is maintenance and network cost, which is marginal across a bank of 20 chargers.

70kwh x 25c = $17.50.

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Post by olyjohn »

dylan604 wrote: post #257
solatic wrote: post #238

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Recharging electric vehicles is not like refilling gas-powered cars. You will intentionally drive a gas vehicle down to 20%, even 10% tank left before going out of your way to a gas station, maybe once a week on average. But with electric cars, you should intentionally be plugging in to recharge as frequently as possible, at least once a day, as you are penalized (with longer recharge times) the longer you go between…

You must not have had a dad that harped on you about letting your tank get below 50%. If I let mine get down to 10%, my dad would have taken my keys away. There are many reasons people give for this that do not involve zombies and go bags

It's pretty much completely pointless to worry about when you fill up your tank. Just fill it up when you need or want to.

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Post by InTheArena »

reportingsjr wrote: post #327
bluGill wrote: post #229

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A large number of standards are what one company did on their own and then made available to everybody via the likes of ANSI/ECMA/ISO. There are a number of reasons a company would want to do this.

This is basically how USB C became a thing. A group of engineers at Google created the connector design and then gave it to the USB standards body to use as the next gen.

Go look at the number of engineers that were on USB-C. Apple, not Google, contributed 18 of 79 named engineers listed on the connector certification project, or under 23%.

Intel had the most, as well as the editor position.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

p1mrx wrote: post #285
dzhiurgis wrote: post #259

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Do those places have no power sockets?

Regular outlets are limited to 1.5 kW, so charging a car takes more than a day.

You assume the slowest outlet + full tank worth of driving. Possible, but not how most road trips happen.

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Post by VBprogrammer »

gambiting wrote: post #305
dzhiurgis wrote: post #249

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Now go abroad where charging app is not available in your country or requires local phone number to register, uses local language, or even wants local address or local payment method. Just give me website god damn it.

My story of charging in Germany one time a year ago: The charger requires an app, ok fine. Downloaded the app, had to setup the whole account with my address(UK address was allowed as my address), verify my email, verify my phone number(UK one was accepted), fine, done. Went to add my payment card - nope, the billing address has a pre-filled country field set to Germany, can't change it. It says ring this number in c…

I know it's not quite the problem you are talking about (which would be dealt with by making normal contactless / chip and pin readers a requirement) – but I'd love to see a legal requirement that when your charge point can't contact the piece of shit payment / authentication service the user gets to charge for free. That would soon see an uptick in the reliability of charge points...

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Post by ska »

akouri wrote: post #401
ska wrote: post #392

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That makes sense that the use case in a shared home lot is different than out and about, but still doesn't obviously suggest payment routing over the charger - wouldn't monthly billing be better from the consumers point of view? You'd only need a car identifier for that.

Yes, to your point the Plug & Charge mechanism is just for authentication. Through our integrations with Yardi, Buildium, etc. payment can just be taken out of rent or tacked onto the sub-metered utility bill.

Gotcha, that makes sense.

How do you handle for example visitor spots (e.g. one off charge) in a multi-family unit?

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Post by maximus-decimus »

I wonder how much this will have an Osborne effect i.e. will people just stop buying their EVs until they release cars with the Tesla connector?

Buying a car without that plug now is a bit like buying a Betamax player right after everybody announces they'll soon only support VHS.

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Post by VBprogrammer »

HenryBemis wrote: post #372
masklinn wrote: post #337

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Yeah, CC terminals (and NFC / tap if you want to be fancy) are working things which work. The only opposition I've heard is "uwu but charge costs are lower so CC fees add up".

CC fees add up, but/and electricity is cheaper than gas, so net-net, you gain. Also considering the convenience that you have zero worries and you will be able to charge hassle-free in any charging stations, I'd pay an extra €1 to not have any headaches, apps, phone charged, and any/all hoops by any apps.

Things like little kiddy rides and vending machines are able to take contactless payments (in the UK). I don't really see how this can be a valid arguement.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

gambiting wrote: post #305
dzhiurgis wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now go abroad where charging app is not available in your country or requires local phone number to register, uses local language, or even wants local address or local payment method. Just give me website god damn it.

My story of charging in Germany one time a year ago: The charger requires an app, ok fine. Downloaded the app, had to setup the whole account with my address(UK address was allowed as my address), verify my email, verify my phone number(UK one was accepted), fine, done. Went to add my payment card - nope, the billing address has a pre-filled country field set to Germany, can't change it. It says ring this number in c…

I'm in the process of deactivating my family Apple One account (they overseas) so I can change app store for few minutes and download all the local apps I need.

I have to wait until end of month so my subscription actually expires, then make sure family sharing is disabled (which already screwed up location sharing). Oh and about 2.5TB of entire generation photos are up to be deleted by Apple if I screw up.

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