Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

theverge.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

261–270 of 653 posts

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

#261

Post by bluGill »

paul7986 wrote: post #207
dietsche wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we took a road trip last summer about 4000 miles in our model Y Long range. You end up supercharging approximately every three hours for about 15 minutes. it actually worked out very well because our first stop of the day was almost always lunch. we picked hotels that had chargers on site so we started each day with enough charge to make the next supercharger.

Were you traveling in remote areas something like between Reno and Vegas or other similar long remote stretches?

So stop in Tonopah NV,which is half way inbetween. Most EVs have the range to make it that far. I just picked that town by looking at a map - I'm sure there are a couple other choices even tough it is a desolate area.

I don't know if there is a charger there today, but it is an obvious place where one is likely to be added sometime.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

#262

Post by dietsche »

paul7986 wrote: post #207
dietsche wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we took a road trip last summer about 4000 miles in our model Y Long range. You end up supercharging approximately every three hours for about 15 minutes. it actually worked out very well because our first stop of the day was almost always lunch. we picked hotels that had chargers on site so we started each day with enough charge to make the next supercharger.

Were you traveling in remote areas something like between Reno and Vegas or other similar long remote stretches?

minneapolis, mn to kitty hawk, nc

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

#263

Post by Caddickbrown »

akouri wrote: post #195

I am the founder of Starlight Charging[1]. We are working on crazy-low-cost L2 chargers for multifamily apartments. Plug-and-charge is a sine-qua-non for us. One still major unsolved problem is the lack of agreement on a standard for payment/powerline communication from the EVSE to the vehicle. OCPP 2.0.1 and ISO 15118 is supposed to bring "Plug and Charge" capabilities -- this, in theory, would allow drivers to simp…

Did Tesla not release all of their patents a few years back? Can people not just… use the stuff?

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

#264

Post by bluGill »

nicwolff wrote: post #199
ryandrake wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If ICE cars were invented today, every manufacturer would try to lock you in with their own shape of fuel tank opening. Have a toyota? Use the round fuel pumps. Ford? You need to find a pump with a notch on the end of the end so it's compatible with your tank. BMW? Two notches--find a different fuel station! Jeep? Square shaped pump! Or you need to keep a set of $100 dongle adapters in your trunk at all times. $400 f…

If cars were invented today, they'd never let us have them. "It's like a horse and buggy, but much faster and heavier." "But it'll know somehow how to avoid other vehicles and pedestrians and trees and houses and such?" "No, the driver has to pay continuous attention or it'll veer wildly and hit whatever's in front of it." "Shouldn't it run on rails? Or between protective barriers?" "Painted lines."

You should have looked up what was really said about cars (both gas and electric!) when they were first invented. Some of them look much like your list, but others it looks like you made up something when reality already had an example.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

#265

Post by SoftTalker »

why_at wrote: post #224
akouri wrote: post #195

I am the founder of Starlight Charging[1]. We are working on crazy-low-cost L2 chargers for multifamily apartments. Plug-and-charge is a sine-qua-non for us. One still major unsolved problem is the lack of agreement on a standard for payment/powerline communication from the EVSE to the vehicle. OCPP 2.0.1 and ISO 15118 is supposed to bring "Plug and Charge" capabilities -- this, in theory, would allow drivers to simp…

Can you explain why you feel plug-and-charge is so important? I have used chargers with and without it and while it is slightly more convenient to just plug in and go, it doesn't feel like such a huge improvement that I absolutely need it. I agree that having a different app for every brand of charging station would be annoying, but what about just accepting a credit card the way we do with gas stations now?

Yep. Regular petrol stations figured out pay at the pump decades ago. Why is this such a problem for EV charging?

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

#266

Post by 7952 »

akouri wrote: post #195

I am the founder of Starlight Charging[1]. We are working on crazy-low-cost L2 chargers for multifamily apartments. Plug-and-charge is a sine-qua-non for us. One still major unsolved problem is the lack of agreement on a standard for payment/powerline communication from the EVSE to the vehicle. OCPP 2.0.1 and ISO 15118 is supposed to bring "Plug and Charge" capabilities -- this, in theory, would allow drivers to simp…

Any thoughts on having a credit card reader instead?

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

#267

Post by bluGill »

lostlogin wrote: post #95
Spivak wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which will eventually be all cars God I hope that day is long long in the future given the current ecosystem surrounding this crap. The last thing I want to add to my car is the multi-variant USB-C, thunderbolt, lightning adapter bullshit with accounts and subscriptions. It's the very worst of tech bro culture applied to critical infrastructure. What if the car makers owned and/or could strike deals with specific g…

You can plug in at home and use chargers very rarely. After a year or so, I’m yet to try use one. I guess this very much depends on your driving patterns.

Anyone who has an ICE car will probably still prefer that for long trips. Most people are multiple car families and so will have that choice today.

Even if the EV was the choice, a lot of people will fly (or take a train) for longer trips and so never hit the limits.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

#268

Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

dylan604 wrote: post #257
solatic wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recharging electric vehicles is not like refilling gas-powered cars. You will intentionally drive a gas vehicle down to 20%, even 10% tank left before going out of your way to a gas station, maybe once a week on average. But with electric cars, you should intentionally be plugging in to recharge as frequently as possible, at least once a day, as you are penalized (with longer recharge times) the longer you go between…

You must not have had a dad that harped on you about letting your tank get below 50%. If I let mine get down to 10%, my dad would have taken my keys away. There are many reasons people give for this that do not involve zombies and go bags

Your car is rear-wheel-drive and the extra weight you are carrying around in the fuel tank helps your acceleration in the snow?

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

#269

Post by pdabbadabba »

WrongAssumption wrote: post #99
pdabbadabba wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, the U.S. put people on the moon using metric units. Contrary to popular belief, the technical parts of the USG (including NASA) generally use metric. Of course, this is just to point out a different kind of error in GP's comment.

They used a combination, with all the displays outputting customary. It wasn’t until the 80s/90s NASA really transitioned to metric. You can see the mission report all measurements referred to are customary units. https://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/A11_MissionReport.pdf

That's a weird document, from a units perspective. Mass is reported in lbs while distances are in cm.

Notwithstanding the units used for reporting, though, I had always heard that the actual work was done in metric (to avoid potential conversion errors).[1] Is that not correct?

[1] But see https://everydayastronaut.com/mars-climate-orbiter/

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

#270

Post by sudobash1 »

l72 wrote: post #250

While this sounds good, why are we so focused on charging stations? It seems to me, it would make much more sense to have a series of batteries that can quickly be removed, and have battery exchanges. Then, if you need a charge, you pull over to a battery exchange, swap out batteries in a few seconds, and go on your way. I have seen this in China with electric scooters, and it seems like it could scale well for cars…

I can think of many reasons:

* Batteries are really expensive and have a limited life. If my batteries were wearing out, could I go to one of these swaps and hope for a fresher set?

* Different sized cars require different battery capacities (EV Ford F150 vs Nissan Leaf). Not a problem with charging cables, but a big issue with battery swapping.

* Battery swapping stations would be orders of magnitude more expensive than charging stations.

* This is not really useful for many (or maybe most) users. If you are driving around town or commuting, charging overnight at home should be good enough for most people. (The main hurdle here would be convincing landlords of the importance of charging).

* It is a lot easier to standardize on a charging port, than to standardize one a battery pack. A standardized battery pack would dictate how the car is structured.

* It would make innovation harder on battery packs. It could make it impractical to try a new battery chemistry or capacity, whereas these are fairly easy changes to make without changing the charging port.

Post reply on HN