Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

Post by chrisjc » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 5:34 PM UTC

yardie wrote: post #86

mupuff1234 wrote: post #64

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But it also takes away Tesla's biggest advantage, no? The charging network was a big reason to buy a tesla and now that's gone. So perhaps they will actually end up losing more revenue than gaining.

I feel the bigger goal is the viability of the network effect (clustering) of electric cars. When Tesla was the only electric car company most buyers thought it was neat but didn't really consider it. A lot of buyers want their next vehicle to be EV but have range anxiety. While the Model 3/Y was top seller amongst EV buyers it's overall marketshare is still miniscule. More competition drives more churn which creates…

Post by highwaylights » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 5:35 PM UTC

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highwaylights wrote: post #148

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Honestly I doubt it. Musk already said himself that the company hinges on getting to full self-driving eventually , so it wouldn’t be surprising if every other decision is ultimately in service of that however unlikely it now seems. Either way, I think it’s terrific business. Would you rather have a dependable advantage that helps you stay further ahead of competitors in one industry, or have slightly less of an adva…

Every new manufacturer switching to the Tesla standard further incentivizes e.g. BP, Shell, etc. to offer charging though. I don't see why they'd dominate this space.

Post by newsclues » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 5:38 PM UTC

bluGill wrote: post #20

blabla1224 wrote: post #13

I won’t be surprised if Tesla becomes a platform for other automakers like android from Google in the future

Auto makers are used to making their own platforms, and they won't change. Making a platform is not the hard part, and there are advantages to a custom platform for each vehicle.

Post by chrisjc » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 5:42 PM UTC

highwaylights wrote: post #173

ethanbond wrote: post #152

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Every new manufacturer switching to the Tesla standard further incentivizes e.g. BP, Shell, etc. to offer charging though. I don't see why they'd dominate this space.

Im working on the assumption that they’d need Tesla’s consent to use their interface and protocols.

Post by justapassenger » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 5:46 PM UTC

Rebelgecko wrote: post #163

apexalpha wrote: post #135

I understand the ridicule that the EU gets sometimes, and especially so when trying to regulate stuff like AI where it seems the EU wants to regulate more than to create start ups etc... But this is one thing the EU just nailed the hammer into the wood immediatly, and rightly so. I can't even remember the time it was. Maybe 2013? 2014? They just set a standard and everyone, even Tesla, adopted it. Every single EV can…

Eh, I think if NA had forced a standard quickly (which the US has actually sort of done with the infrastructure bill), it would've been CCS which has a lot of downsides