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Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by sausagefeet »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #268
pjc50 wrote: post #74

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They did do something: they blocked people using adblockers. Really we need some body like the UK ASA to say "you're liable for all these frauds, Google".

That sounds like a classic example of doing something and making the situation worse (aka almost every regulation ever) If advertising providers were de jure and de facto liable for fraud, then that will raise the bar for competing advertising providers, as if Google wasn't enough of a monopoly. Regulation almost universally benefits established players and stifles competition, which is why a lot of regulation is (se…

It is true that some regulation is meant to thwart competition and keep entrenched players in power. However it is pretty far to say "almost every regulation ever". Would you prefer to live in an age where anyone can sell a tincture on the sidewalk that claims to cure any ailment? Would you prefer to have the food you put in your mouth be a gamble on its quality? Would you prefer companies be able to dump their poisonous waste anywhere they want?

We don't have to be on the side of 100% regulation is good but I hope we can see that a lot of regulation is actually making the world we live in liveable.

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

wharvle wrote: post #33

And 100% of my YouTube ads are scams the last few weeks, many with deepfake fuckery going on. This whole side of the Web needs to be put down. The algo-feed ad-clearinghouse side. It’s a cesspit.

"This whole side of the Web needs to be put down."

It's Meta/Facebook's and Alphabet/Google's "business model".

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Post by pjc50 »

frogpelt wrote: post #236
pjc50 wrote: post #74

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They did do something: they blocked people using adblockers. Really we need some body like the UK ASA to say "you're liable for all these frauds, Google".

Really? So the advertising agency would have an Investigation Unit that makes sure the companies aren't scams before allowing them to advertise?

After advertising. Which is admittedly kind of useless in a world of anonymous, unaccountable, international advertisers.

e.g. https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/person-s--unknown-a23-1198241...

Enforcement is very limited to "misleading ad must not appear again". Eventually they'll have to do something a bit toothier or we're going to have an all-scam internet.

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Post by simiones »

araes wrote: post #220
agumonkey wrote: post #128

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no joke, when I close my eyes, the strange light patterns behind my eye lids are somehow pixelated now, i'm afraid LCDs altered cells in my retina somehow

You are what you eat, hear, touch, smell, see. ...all your life will ever be.

For anyone intrigued, this is paraphrasing a beautiful line from Pink Floyd's "Breathe (In The Air)" from Dark Side of the Moon.

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Post by simiones »

randomdata wrote: post #94
simiones wrote: post #63

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Well, if you care about your city or country, you have to care about many things that are not immediately in front of you. And the Internet is one of the main places where such things can be learned about.

Most cities and counties see the people of those cities/countries hire representatives to discover and report on the things that should be cared about that are not immediately in front of the average person going about their day. If you alone feel you also need to duplicate their efforts, you may just have control issues, but if the need is genuine and shared by many then you need to rally the people to get the probl…

You still have to care whether your representatives are actually doing the job you voted them in for and are paying your taxes for. You can't just say "I voted for someone who promised to build shelters for homeless people, so homeless people now have shelter".

Ideally, the press would actually report on what is happening, but the incentives just aren't there for thorough and accurate reporting. You either get highly partisan press that lies or just omits important parts of what is happening because the ones paying the bills want them to, or you get an anemic press that can't do more than trawl FB or, worse, official declarations for info.

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Post by tim333 »

brnt wrote: post #255
wharvle wrote: post #33

And 100% of my YouTube ads are scams the last few weeks, many with deepfake fuckery going on. This whole side of the Web needs to be put down. The algo-feed ad-clearinghouse side. It’s a cesspit.

What ads?

I was kind of thinking that having got the adblock going again. I mean I know ads are out there somewhere.

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Post by keybored »

int_19h wrote: post #185
keybored wrote: post #96

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This is the Postmodern Age. People have been writing about this phenomena decades before the widespread adoption of the Internet and before geniuses began penning opinion pieces about how it’s possible to believe untruths now.[1] Which means that (in turn) you can’t just “log off” and be rid of the problem since it predates... logging off. Neo thought he could just “log off” in The Matrix . But then then it turned ou…

Orwell wrote this in a letter in 1944: "Everywhere the world movement seems to be in the direction of centralised economies which can be made to ‘work’ in an economic sense but which are not democratically organised and which tend to establish a caste system. With this go the horrors of emotional nationalism and a tendency to disbelieve in the existence of objective truth because all the facts have to fit in with the…

I get the impression from Orwell that he thinks of these issues in too much of a top-down way. “prophecies of some infallible fuhrer.” It’s easy to mentally resist the propaganda of the fuhrer and his henchmen. You just have to parrot the lines, you don’t have to believe it.[1]

But these issues have become internalized, not merely something that the Ministry of Truth or whatever says. I think the introduction to Eclipse of Reason explains it better (published 1947).

In general I think “Truth” died due to Hyperreality. (If I could read French. Or understand Postmodernism.) Orwell’s vision has become too simplistic. I don’t really understand why his memes are so popular. Although perhaps on a meta-level it could be understood.

[1] The propaganda in Animal Farm was mostly delivered through the henchmen who personally berated the animals and gaslit them. It’s harder to resist even that.

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Post by randomdata »

simiones wrote: post #295
randomdata wrote: post #94

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Most cities and counties see the people of those cities/countries hire representatives to discover and report on the things that should be cared about that are not immediately in front of the average person going about their day. If you alone feel you also need to duplicate their efforts, you may just have control issues, but if the need is genuine and shared by many then you need to rally the people to get the probl…

You still have to care whether your representatives are actually doing the job you voted them in for and are paying your taxes for. You can't just say "I voted for someone who promised to build shelters for homeless people, so homeless people now have shelter". Ideally, the press would actually report on what is happening, but the incentives just aren't there for thorough and accurate reporting. You either get highly…

When you sit down and go over the reports and give direction with your employee each week, it should stand out pretty clearly if they are not doing their job. No different than any other organization where you hire employees. Cities and countries are not somehow magically different. Of course, you don't just vote for the employee you like and never speak to them again. That would be just plain silly. Being the boss doesn't mean you can sit idle on a sandy beach for the rest of your life.

Although that is not nearly as silly as hiring an employee and then doing their job for them. There is no point in hiring anyone if you want to do the job yourself. You go through the employee election process because you recognize that it is more efficient for one person to do the work on your, and your neighbour's, behalf. You are choosing to hand off the work to someone else precisely so you do not have to do it.

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Post by lores »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #268
pjc50 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did do something: they blocked people using adblockers. Really we need some body like the UK ASA to say "you're liable for all these frauds, Google".

That sounds like a classic example of doing something and making the situation worse (aka almost every regulation ever) If advertising providers were de jure and de facto liable for fraud, then that will raise the bar for competing advertising providers, as if Google wasn't enough of a monopoly. Regulation almost universally benefits established players and stifles competition, which is why a lot of regulation is (se…

"Fraud should be allowed, otherwise small companies can't rely on it to become big" is QUITE the take.

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Post by simiones »

randomdata wrote: post #298
simiones wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You still have to care whether your representatives are actually doing the job you voted them in for and are paying your taxes for. You can't just say "I voted for someone who promised to build shelters for homeless people, so homeless people now have shelter". Ideally, the press would actually report on what is happening, but the incentives just aren't there for thorough and accurate reporting. You either get highly…

When you sit down and go over the reports and give direction with your employee each week, it should stand out pretty clearly if they are not doing their job. No different than any other organization where you hire employees. Cities and countries are not somehow magically different. Of course, you don't just vote for the employee you like and never speak to them again. That would be just plain silly. Being the boss d…

So how do you tell if your representatives are doing their job as promised, without reading (online, in print, on TV/Radio) about news from the local area? You could look at their reports, but how do you know if their reports are true?
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