Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by dissident_coder » Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 5:42 PM UTC

reustle wrote: post #114

dissident_coder wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I refuse to turn off my adblocker on YouTube, and never will. I'm not rewarding YouTube with my money (for YT Premium) for being absolutely useless at vetting their advertisers. I'd rather just not use YouTube at all if it comes to it.

You eventually get to a scale where vetting is near impossible. Paying for premium brings them closer to a state where they don’t need advertising at all.

> You eventually get to a scale where vetting is near impossible.

This isn't my problem.

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by denton-scratch » Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 5:43 PM UTC

I'm troubled by people thinking that shit they find on the internet is "real". But Facebook? As far as I'm aware, people just use it to keep in touch with friends. Nobody has ever sent me a Facebook link implying that it's any kind of source of truth.

It might seem an odd position to take, but I think Facebook is in the process of dying. I've been expecting it for 20 years; after all, MySpace died (although I hear it's ghost still haunts some people).

/me never had a Facebook account.

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by numpad0 » Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 5:43 PM UTC

Maybe it's time to deprecate reposts, altogether. One of reasons real users don't care about image authenticity is because it's de facto "ok" in English web to steal and repost content ad infinitum.

There are a lot of younger generation web users with an entirely misguided belief that seeking approval by ripping, modifying, re-uploading, in the process relabeling content with the user themself as the creator is not only tolerated but encouraged behavior, which is not at all a correct understanding.

Some call this type of criticism "copyright maximalism", as if it's bad. It's good. Copyright is good. It works. It's not going to reduce bandwidth, nor hurt content quality. In fact, some are starting to recognize need to always "put sauce" because it is becoming harder to ease approval craving in today's Web without doing so. Maybe it's time to push it further. Just a bit.

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 5:43 PM UTC

everdrive wrote: post #6

This was one of the most obvious outcomes anyone could have and should have predicted. Even when people know an image is fake, it still seems to be able to sway them. The effect we've seen over the past few years is simply likely to become worse: more polarization, more extremism, more inter-group hostility, and more BS online.

Even when people know that things are ads they are influenced by them. The BS works for the same reason that ads work.

It's like humans experience something (see an ad) and it makes them feel something (ad uses cute dog) and they remember that feeling the next time they see that brand/ad/initial stimuli. Like seeing something triggers a mini-replay in the brain.

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by memish » Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 5:44 PM UTC

wharvle wrote: post #33

And 100% of my YouTube ads are scams the last few weeks, many with deepfake fuckery going on. This whole side of the Web needs to be put down. The algo-feed ad-clearinghouse side. It’s a cesspit.

Twitter/X has a productive approach with Community Notes. Scam ads get noted.

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by jshen » Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 5:45 PM UTC

miah_ wrote: post #53

wharvle wrote: post #33

And 100% of my YouTube ads are scams the last few weeks, many with deepfake fuckery going on. This whole side of the Web needs to be put down. The algo-feed ad-clearinghouse side. It’s a cesspit.

This right here is why we adblock. Google needs to wake up and do something if they really want to stop people from using adblocks on Youtube, or their other properties.

The solution is paying for content, but it's been shown over and over again that the vast majority of people won't pay for most of the content they consume.

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by ska » Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 5:45 PM UTC

reustle wrote: post #114

dissident_coder wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I refuse to turn off my adblocker on YouTube, and never will. I'm not rewarding YouTube with my money (for YT Premium) for being absolutely useless at vetting their advertisers. I'd rather just not use YouTube at all if it comes to it.

You eventually get to a scale where vetting is near impossible. Paying for premium brings them closer to a state where they don’t need advertising at all.

> You eventually get to a scale where vetting is near impossible.

That's a choice, no?

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by agumonkey » Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 5:47 PM UTC

simiones wrote: post #58

dpflan wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide details of this watershed date?

This suggests the problem pretty well: https://xkcd.com/331/

no joke, when I close my eyes, the strange light patterns behind my eye lids are somehow pixelated now, i'm afraid LCDs altered cells in my retina somehow

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by anonymousDan » Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 5:47 PM UTC

Could this be a good thing for online privacy in the long run? If everything on facebook is potentially fabricated and there is no way to distinguish true photos from faked then everything about you on facebook becomes deniable.

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by libraryatnight » Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 5:48 PM UTC

jshen wrote: post #126

miah_ wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This right here is why we adblock. Google needs to wake up and do something if they really want to stop people from using adblocks on Youtube, or their other properties.

The solution is paying for content, but it's been shown over and over again that the vast majority of people won't pay for most of the content they consume.

Seems like the content market is due for a correction, then. If people are sick of toxic ads, and toxic ads pay for content, but nobody else wants to pay for the content, the content can just die and we'll figure something else out I'm sure.