Just for size reference, the SARS-CoV-2 (covid) virus is 100nm in diameter. A banana is 200,000,000nm, just in case you were wondering.
Just for completeness, “2nm” is more like 12-45nm actual transistor size. So on average about 5 of these transistors could fit inside a single SARS-CoV-2 viron.
ASML and Samsung seal deal on 2nm chips
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Re: ASML and Samsung seal deal on 2nm chips
#22Everything over the last years tells me we are very close to the end game in chip production. 1. power stopped scaling 2. clocks stopped - 4x over 20 years? 3. node names became fiction. 4. EUV now differentiates the top from everyone else. 5. IPC improvements are a trickle. 6. Tons of non-moores law ideas are here: A) GPUs B) chiplets C) stacked die D) specialized accelerators 7. Governments are now involved in divi…
Re: ASML and Samsung seal deal on 2nm chips
#23Just for size reference, the SARS-CoV-2 (covid) virus is 100nm in diameter. A banana is 200,000,000nm, just in case you were wondering.
Just for completeness, “2nm” is more like 12-45nm actual transistor size. So on average about 5 of these transistors could fit inside a single SARS-CoV-2 viron.
Re: ASML and Samsung seal deal on 2nm chips
#24Nigel Tufnel, chief scientist at TSMC, explains the merits of the latest hardware from ASML: "This is a fab, but it's very special because if you can see, the numbers all go down to 2nm. Look, right across the board. 2nm, 2nm, 2nm, 2nm ..." "And most of the fabs go down to 3." "Exactly." "Does that mean it's ... smaller? Is it any smaller?" "Well, it's one smaller, isn't it? It's not 3. You see, most fabs are going t…
Re: ASML and Samsung seal deal on 2nm chips
#25Just read this in Chip War (p. 333) by Chris Miller: > Gelsinger has cut a deal with ASML to let Intel acquire the first next-generation EUV machine, which is expected to be ready in 2025. If Intel can learn how to use these new tools before rivals, it could provide a technological edge. Is the book talking about the same tech or different? If the same, does it mean that Intel only gets a year or two of headstart?
Re: ASML and Samsung seal deal on 2nm chips
#26Nigel Tufnel, chief scientist at TSMC, explains the merits of the latest hardware from ASML: "This is a fab, but it's very special because if you can see, the numbers all go down to 2nm. Look, right across the board. 2nm, 2nm, 2nm, 2nm ..." "And most of the fabs go down to 3." "Exactly." "Does that mean it's ... smaller? Is it any smaller?" "Well, it's one smaller, isn't it? It's not 3. You see, most fabs are going t…
You joke but it does seem like we’re near the end of the line. We can go from 3 nm to 2 nm to 1 nm, but we can’t go negative nanometers. That’s it.
EDIT: for instance IMEC talks about "sub 1nm" process, that is 0.7nm (https://www.tomshardware.com/news/imec-reveals-sub-1nm-trans...)
Re: ASML and Samsung seal deal on 2nm chips
#27Nigel Tufnel, chief scientist at TSMC, explains the merits of the latest hardware from ASML: "This is a fab, but it's very special because if you can see, the numbers all go down to 2nm. Look, right across the board. 2nm, 2nm, 2nm, 2nm ..." "And most of the fabs go down to 3." "Exactly." "Does that mean it's ... smaller? Is it any smaller?" "Well, it's one smaller, isn't it? It's not 3. You see, most fabs are going t…
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/manufacturing/tsm...
It really looks like the current tech could take us to sub 1nm.
Re: ASML and Samsung seal deal on 2nm chips
#28Anyone here who knows what are the benefits of going from, say, 4 or 3nm to 2nm? ASML talks about energy cost per function mostly, but it’s not as clear cut as transitions in the 2000s were if I‘m not mistaken.
Concisely, but eliding: smaller transistors consume less power. Using smaller transistors, you can get the same performance at a lower power budget, or more performance at the same power budget.
Re: ASML and Samsung seal deal on 2nm chips
#29Nigel Tufnel, chief scientist at TSMC, explains the merits of the latest hardware from ASML: "This is a fab, but it's very special because if you can see, the numbers all go down to 2nm. Look, right across the board. 2nm, 2nm, 2nm, 2nm ..." "And most of the fabs go down to 3." "Exactly." "Does that mean it's ... smaller? Is it any smaller?" "Well, it's one smaller, isn't it? It's not 3. You see, most fabs are going t…
I know this is a joke, but TSMC is already talking about 1.4nm processes by 2027-2028: https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/manufacturing/tsm... It really looks like the current tech could take us to sub 1nm.