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Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Post by LanzVonL »

theamk wrote: post #34
kazinator wrote: post #8

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> anything goes, but in a way that works. Except it doesn't? One of the reasons usenet is dying is because without some sort of group-global moderation, everyone sees different things.. Newcomers see piles of spam, and when you don't get replies you are never sure is this something you said, or was your message silently filtered out. It's like a forum where the moderators only ever use shadow-bans. Most people would…

Usenet's been on the up trend for years now. It was dying in the '00s and early '10s. Now it's recovering. People are tired of Discord and Reddit, and even Hacker News.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Post by bsder »

zafiro17 wrote: post #9

The nightmare is over? I've used Usenet for years. Most serious users filter out any post originating from G2 to do away with Google posts. It's been a huge source of spam and annoyance. Usenet gets better as it gets smaller, honestly. Most groups are carcasses these days, but several have regular use. comp.misc, misc.news.internet.discuss, and sci.misc are active. Several groups in the comp* hierarchy are active. Th…

Is there a reason why you can't run your own Usenet server nowadays?

In the old days, the issues were that bandwidth and disk were expensive. That's no longer true.

Is there a techncial reason we can't have individuals running NNTP nodes?

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Post by Paul-Craft »

mulmen wrote: post #63
Paul-Craft wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the song goes, "We haven't seen that spirit here since 1969." Okay, so maybe it's more like 1989, a few years before Eternal September[1] in 1993, when the deluge started for real. But, I'll tell you what we're not losing when Google drops support for USENET: the archives. And, IMO, that's where the real value in Google Groups[2] lies, and has for decades. --- [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September […

I'm having trouble parsing this. Are there archives elsewhere?

Yes. Go to `groups.google.com`, switch "My Groups" to "All groups of messages" and type in the name of your favorite newsgroup in the search field. You should see links to newsgroups pop up. The archives are contained at those links. You can search them reasonably well, but browsing them is tough, because of the 2 decades worth of spam that's accumulated in them.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Post by kazinator »

theamk wrote: post #34
kazinator wrote: post #8

[flagged]

> anything goes, but in a way that works. Except it doesn't? One of the reasons usenet is dying is because without some sort of group-global moderation, everyone sees different things.. Newcomers see piles of spam, and when you don't get replies you are never sure is this something you said, or was your message silently filtered out. It's like a forum where the moderators only ever use shadow-bans. Most people would…

Literally every point you hit on is a Google Groups problem, not experienced by users who connect a NNTP client to server.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Post by wolverine876 »

bsder wrote: post #72
zafiro17 wrote: post #9

The nightmare is over? I've used Usenet for years. Most serious users filter out any post originating from G2 to do away with Google posts. It's been a huge source of spam and annoyance. Usenet gets better as it gets smaller, honestly. Most groups are carcasses these days, but several have regular use. comp.misc, misc.news.internet.discuss, and sci.misc are active. Several groups in the comp* hierarchy are active. Th…

Is there a reason why you can't run your own Usenet server nowadays? In the old days, the issues were that bandwidth and disk were expensive. That's no longer true. Is there a techncial reason we can't have individuals running NNTP nodes?

If Usenet's requirements haven't increased in a 2-3 decades, and in its moribund state I expect they haven't, then it should be trivial to run Usenet servers on almost any device, at least in terms of resources.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Post by [deleted] »

Vt71fcAqt7 wrote: post #55
danans wrote: post #50

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No, the definition of Brownshirt is pretty unambiguous: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-sa There isn't an alternative grammatical parsing that changes that.

I hope you realize that you have given a link to an encyclopedia to show the definition of a word. The fifth edition of the American Heritage Dictionary, published in 2011, already gave a second definition of brownshirt: >A racist, especially a violent, right-wing one.[0] Oxford Dictionary has an even broader definition[1] As noted by other users, "brownshirt" is also used to describe "anyone in authority."[2] I actu…

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Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Post by danans »

Vt71fcAqt7 wrote: post #55
danans wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the definition of Brownshirt is pretty unambiguous: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-sa There isn't an alternative grammatical parsing that changes that.

I hope you realize that you have given a link to an encyclopedia to show the definition of a word. The fifth edition of the American Heritage Dictionary, published in 2011, already gave a second definition of brownshirt: >A racist, especially a violent, right-wing one.[0] Oxford Dictionary has an even broader definition[1] As noted by other users, "brownshirt" is also used to describe "anyone in authority."[2] I actu…

You are working really hard to gaslight a clearly Nazi thing as a non-Nazi thing. Sturmabteilung is Brownshirt is a Nazi, period.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Post by mulmen »

Paul-Craft wrote: post #73
mulmen wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm having trouble parsing this. Are there archives elsewhere?

Yes. Go to `groups.google.com`, switch "My Groups" to "All groups of messages" and type in the name of your favorite newsgroup in the search field. You should see links to newsgroups pop up. The archives are contained at those links. You can search them reasonably well, but browsing them is tough, because of the 2 decades worth of spam that's accumulated in them.

I mean other than on Google.

e: I misunderstood and thought the Google archives were going away in 2024.

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