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Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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that sounds ripe to get spammed, since the superset of things to be filtered is borderline infinite when it is opt-in

That's why the term "spam" was invented to describe USENET spam.

USENET comes from a more innocent time, when few institutions had firewalls, open (SMTP) mail relays were pretty common, and people logged into their systems over telnet.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Is still worth giving Usenet a try again? Are there any technology Usenet groups that are still active and worth subscribing to?

Why yes. I follow comp.lang.c, comp.lang.awk, comp.unix.programmer, comp.unix.shell, comp.lang.lisp. Make an account on Ray Banana's "Eternal September" server (or any one of the others), connect a client and you're good to go.

comp.lang.python is one of the busier (programming) groups as well.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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It doesn't matter how much money USENET makes one company, what matters is what it represents. Surrendering USENET entirely to abuse means we're losing one of the last vestiges of the ARPANET. It brings great shame and dishonor that Google won't fight for it.

As the song goes, "We haven't seen that spirit here since 1969." Okay, so maybe it's more like 1989, a few years before Eternal September[1] in 1993, when the deluge started for real. But, I'll tell you what we're not losing when Google drops support for USENET: the archives. And, IMO, that's where the real value in Google Groups[2] lies, and has for decades. --- [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September […

I'm having trouble parsing this. Are there archives elsewhere?

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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post #53

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Too late, you're On The Record™. And this one goes into your permanent record, no getting out of this blunder.

To the contrary, they did the right thing by admitting their ignorance in not knowing that Brownshirt refers to a group of Nazis. So the record shows that they were willing to learn. That's something.

In fact, according to a Google ngram and books search, no such term can be attested prior to the rise of the Nazis. There was no single-word brownshirt, capitalized or not, and brown shirt (two words) wasn't used as any sort of idiom referring to an oppressive military though or anything of the sort.

It also seems that a two-word form Brown Shirt also saw some use (in reference to the Nazis).

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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If you see the spam it's already in your client, so yes. You don't see spam, if it was filtered upstream from you. The server admins try though. This latest Google assault kept people busy.

So there is upstream spam filtering. Thiss seems to contradict what you said: "There is no administrative ostracism. Nobody gets kicked out by brownshirts for expressing their view." Spam is an expression of views.

Even if this stupid idea were true, in fact nobody prevents Usenet spammers from reaching those who want to be reached.

If you think that spam is a form of expression, and you're interested in it, all you have to do is post a few articles and use your real e-mail address in your From: header.

Then no overbearing NNTP server admin will stand between you and your spammer friends.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Wish there was some way to give the data Google obtained in the Deja News acquisition back to the public, i.e., allow free public access to all of it as Deja News was doing at the time.

(After the acqusitition, for a while Javascript was required to access comp.unix.* groups via Google Groups. Eventually, after years went by, this was fixed. But even then some of the data from these groups and other computing related groups is missing. Neither Google Groups, nor any of the well-known spools from individual archivists, contain _all_ of the data from what was available before the Google acquisition.)

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Wish there was some way to give the data Google obtained in the Deja News acquisition back to the public, i.e., allow free public access to all of it as Deja News was doing at the time. (After the acqusitition, for a while Javascript was required to access comp.unix.* groups via Google Groups. Eventually, after years went by, this was fixed. But even then some of the data from these groups and other computing related…

Archive.org has it all. It's not in a usable format, it's like tar dumps. But it's on there.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Wish there was some way to give the data Google obtained in the Deja News acquisition back to the public, i.e., allow free public access to all of it as Deja News was doing at the time. (After the acqusitition, for a while Javascript was required to access comp.unix.* groups via Google Groups. Eventually, after years went by, this was fixed. But even then some of the data from these groups and other computing related…

I remember being excited once upon a time when Google acquired Deja News.

Will be really disappointed if the archive falls into an even worse state of disrepair.

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