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Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Can Google just fucking kill this? Literally all my recruiter spam is coming from groups. Even when I worked at Google internally I raised a ticket with full info of what’s going on and they still haven’t fixed it. (Yes I have the “can’t add me to groups” button on).

Usenet? No. Google Groups, sure.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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> nobody gets kicked out by brownshirts for expressing their view. What about spam? Is the expectation that it's your obligation to filter it client-side?

If you see the spam it's already in your client, so yes. You don't see spam, if it was filtered upstream from you. The server admins try though. This latest Google assault kept people busy.

So there is upstream spam filtering. Thiss seems to contradict what you said: "There is no administrative ostracism. Nobody gets kicked out by brownshirts for expressing their view."

Spam is an expression of views.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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> 2) There is no administrative ostracism. Nobody gets kicked out by brownshirts for expressing their view. To be clear, you are on record as equating content moderation on private platforms with Nazism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung#:~:text=The%20S... .

I think he's equating the different flavors of self professed socialists who get into a tizzy any time someone makes a joke online with Nazism. And also, I think it is deliberately hyperbolic so that only people with a sense of humor will refrain from getting in said predictable tizzy about it.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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> anything goes, but in a way that works.

Except it doesn't? One of the reasons usenet is dying is because without some sort of group-global moderation, everyone sees different things.. Newcomers see piles of spam, and when you don't get replies you are never sure is this something you said, or was your message silently filtered out.

It's like a forum where the moderators only ever use shadow-bans. Most people would hate such thing.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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> nobody gets kicked out by brownshirts for expressing their view. What about spam? Is the expectation that it's your obligation to filter it client-side?

If you see the spam it's already in your client, so yes. You don't see spam, if it was filtered upstream from you. The server admins try though. This latest Google assault kept people busy.

How do you know that what was filtered was spam and not wrongthink ?

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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post #19

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> 2) There is no administrative ostracism. Nobody gets kicked out by brownshirts for expressing their view. To be clear, you are on record as equating content moderation on private platforms with Nazism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung#:~:text=The%20S... .

I think he's equating the different flavors of self professed socialists who get into a tizzy any time someone makes a joke online with Nazism. And also, I think it is deliberately hyperbolic so that only people with a sense of humor will refrain from getting in said predictable tizzy about it.

No I'm not; I just don't associate "brownshirt" with Nazis. In my mind, I always see someone handing out parking tickets or something.

It also conveys low status.

Rules are made by higher status people in white shirts, but interpreted rigidly by lower status in brown/green/blue/...

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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If you see the spam it's already in your client, so yes. You don't see spam, if it was filtered upstream from you. The server admins try though. This latest Google assault kept people busy.

How do you know that what was filtered was spam and not wrongthink ?

You've sorta got to trust your admin. If you don't, it's really pretty trivial to put up your own server (you can do it from home, you don't need a VPS, you don't even need constant connectivity) and then you just peer with as many servers as you can -- odds are not ALL of them are filtering those critically important posts calling Biden a pedophile or whatever.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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post #19

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> 2) There is no administrative ostracism. Nobody gets kicked out by brownshirts for expressing their view. To be clear, you are on record as equating content moderation on private platforms with Nazism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung#:~:text=The%20S... .

I see; I was not aware that there is a specific connection between Nazis and the "brownshirt" term, though it is obviously a reference to some kind of uniform.

Too late, you're On The Record™. And this one goes into your permanent record, no getting out of this blunder.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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post #29
post #18

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How much money is Google making from Usenet support?

It doesn't matter how much money USENET makes one company, what matters is what it represents. Surrendering USENET entirely to abuse means we're losing one of the last vestiges of the ARPANET. It brings great shame and dishonor that Google won't fight for it.

  > we're losing
I'm certainly not losing anything. Only people who need Google services to access Usenet are losing. And I make no apology for being elitist here - some clubs are better when they are mostly frequented by the elite.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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I see; I was not aware that there is a specific connection between Nazis and the "brownshirt" term, though it is obviously a reference to some kind of uniform.

Too late, you're On The Record™. And this one goes into your permanent record, no getting out of this blunder.

Oh yeah? Well don't get too distressed. Did I happen to mention that I'm impressed?
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