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Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue

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Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue

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Post by electrondood »

itsoktocry wrote: post #17
seeekr wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think at some point the absurdity of the numbers (now it's 2M, soon it'll be 10M, 50M, ...) will become so great that NHTSA will stop calling this a "recall", and then this term will no longer be usable for clickbait article titles. Absurdity because it'll get harder and harder to imagine how a company might bring in millions and millions of vehicles in for service repeatedly, from a logistics and cost perspective,…

> and then this term will no longer be usable for clickbait article titles. It's not clickbait, that's ridiculous. The essence of the article is the results of the investigation. NHSTA has a process, they investigated and issued a recall. The fact that it can be fixed OTA doesn't change the intent of what's happening. I mean, at what point does the first comment stop being, "It's not a recall!" Who cares. I'm more in…

It is clickbait. Tesla hasn't "recalled" 2M vehicles, they're pushing a software patch. "Recall" is specifically jargon. It's a regulatory action. However (and this is precisely why this headline is clickbait) it has an alternate, more common meaning to the general population, which is "your car has a defective part, is unreliable, and needs to be brought in to have that part replaced."

This is a "recall" the same way your code needs a "recall" when you find a bug. It's not.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue

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Post by LordKeren »

itsoktocry wrote: post #17
seeekr wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think at some point the absurdity of the numbers (now it's 2M, soon it'll be 10M, 50M, ...) will become so great that NHTSA will stop calling this a "recall", and then this term will no longer be usable for clickbait article titles. Absurdity because it'll get harder and harder to imagine how a company might bring in millions and millions of vehicles in for service repeatedly, from a logistics and cost perspective,…

> and then this term will no longer be usable for clickbait article titles. It's not clickbait, that's ridiculous. The essence of the article is the results of the investigation. NHSTA has a process, they investigated and issued a recall. The fact that it can be fixed OTA doesn't change the intent of what's happening. I mean, at what point does the first comment stop being, "It's not a recall!" Who cares. I'm more in…

NHSTA needs to reevaluate the usage of “recall” in situations where nothing is being physically recalled to the manufacturer’s facilities. It is only confusing people.

There are much clearer ways to phrase what has occurred like “Regulators force Tesla to issue mandatory OTA update to address issues with auto pilot”

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue

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Post by sschueller »

Such OTA's by auto makers should be required to be reviewed by a 3rd party. A bad update can kill people.

I assume OTAs for planes have a strict process defined or approved by the FAA which needs to be followed. Does the NTSB have such a thing in place or is it just the wild west?

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue

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Post by yallneedtoget »

rgbrgb wrote: post #12
trident5000 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NYT is more than capable of making a clear headline. These are not stupid people. But they do have goals.

what do you think their goals are? where do they get them?

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Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue

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Post by thepasswordis »

solardev wrote: post #15
Oras wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: > Tesla began issuing an “over-the-air software remedy” to certain vehicles on Tuesday, safety officials said. The remaining vehicles will receive software updates later, and all updates will be free for the cars’ owners. I was confused as to why Tesla needs to "recall" when they can do OTA update. The title is misleading surprise

It's because the NHTSA forced them into a safety related "recall". It's not just a regular OTA update. Tesla has a long history of being dishonest about Autopilot capabilities and dangers, and it's killed several people so far. The NHTSA is forcing them to make some tweaks. (Not arguing that autopilot is on the whole any more or less safe than human drivers. Just that Tesla has a history of misrepresentation.)

How many people have been killed by cruise control do you think?

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue

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Post by acdha »

trident5000 wrote: post #6
kristofferR wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not incorrect, it's just confusing: https://cleantechnica.com/2022/07/24/is-recall-really-the-ri...

The NYT is more than capable of making a clear headline. These are not stupid people. But they do have goals.

In this case, the goal is using the industry standard term to refer to a specific action defined under U.S. law. It’s called a recall because that’s the term used by the legislation delegated to the NHTSA by the Congress:

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/documents/unders...

The only confusion I see on this point is from people who based on their history appear to be Tesla fans and presumably are letting their loyalties to the company trigger a defensive reaction.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue

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Post by MBCook »

Oras wrote: post #8
filoleg wrote: post #2

Note: “tesla recalls” == “tesla pushes OTA software update (just like any regular OTA update)”

From the article: > Tesla began issuing an “over-the-air software remedy” to certain vehicles on Tuesday, safety officials said. The remaining vehicles will receive software updates later, and all updates will be free for the cars’ owners. I was confused as to why Tesla needs to "recall" when they can do OTA update. The title is misleading surprise

It’s not misleading. This is a NHTSA forced recall. That means something legally.

The automaker is required by law to correct it.

That does not mean the car must physically go in, it’s just that until recently that’s how everyone did it because they didn’t have OTA updates.

A recall is still a recall.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue

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Post by throwup238 »

csa wrote: post #47
rgbrgb wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I was wondering about that too. I got a software update that seemed to add auto steer to my non-self-driving model y. I tried it a few times on the highway but it seemed erratic (switching off randomly and dangerously engaging regenerative brakes in the fast lane). Won’t be trying again until next update (if it sticks in the car). edit: corrected autopilot (cruise control) -> self driving

Are you a new Tesla owner? > I got a software update that seemed to add auto steer to my non-autopilot model y. All (edit: new since 2019) Teslas come with autopilot. “Full self driving” is an add on. > I tried it a few times on the highway but it seemed erratic (switching off randomly and dangerously engaging regenerative brakes in the fast lane) “Switching off” usually means that it can’t identify the lane it’s sup…

You literally just described every defining feature of California roads.
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