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Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue

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It's not incorrect, it's just confusing: https://cleantechnica.com/2022/07/24/is-recall-really-the-ri...

The NYT is more than capable of making a clear headline. These are not stupid people. But they do have goals.

The headline is perfectly clear and is not using language in a new way. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) issues recalls for safety related issues. The way the manufacture resolves the issues can differ.

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It's not incorrect, it's just confusing: https://cleantechnica.com/2022/07/24/is-recall-really-the-ri...

The NYT is more than capable of making a clear headline. These are not stupid people. But they do have goals.

what do you think their goals are? where do they get them?

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gotta love the NYT for accurate headlines

It's not incorrect, it's just confusing: https://cleantechnica.com/2022/07/24/is-recall-really-the-ri...

only if you could find people who have their way with words

But that must be confusing for them too...

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue

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Note: “tesla recalls” == “tesla pushes OTA software update (just like any regular OTA update)”

From the article: > Tesla began issuing an “over-the-air software remedy” to certain vehicles on Tuesday, safety officials said. The remaining vehicles will receive software updates later, and all updates will be free for the cars’ owners. I was confused as to why Tesla needs to "recall" when they can do OTA update. The title is misleading surprise

It's because the NHTSA forced them into a safety related "recall". It's not just a regular OTA update.

Tesla has a long history of being dishonest about Autopilot capabilities and dangers, and it's killed several people so far. The NHTSA is forcing them to make some tweaks.

(Not arguing that autopilot is on the whole any more or less safe than human drivers. Just that Tesla has a history of misrepresentation.)

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Note: “tesla recalls” == “tesla pushes OTA software update (just like any regular OTA update)”

Yeah I was wondering about that too. I got a software update that seemed to add auto steer to my non-self-driving model y. I tried it a few times on the highway but it seemed erratic (switching off randomly and dangerously engaging regenerative brakes in the fast lane). Won’t be trying again until next update (if it sticks in the car). edit: corrected autopilot (cruise control) -> self driving

I don't own a Tesla but when I was a kid we had Sega Channel and I remember waking up on the first day of a new cycle, excited to see what games had randomly been chosen to be listed. This is how I imagine update day going with a Tesla lol "Did they include any exciting features? Take anything good away? Gotta wake up and go find out!"

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Note: “tesla recalls” == “tesla pushes OTA software update (just like any regular OTA update)”

I think at some point the absurdity of the numbers (now it's 2M, soon it'll be 10M, 50M, ...) will become so great that NHTSA will stop calling this a "recall", and then this term will no longer be usable for clickbait article titles. Absurdity because it'll get harder and harder to imagine how a company might bring in millions and millions of vehicles in for service repeatedly, from a logistics and cost perspective,…

>and then this term will no longer be usable for clickbait article titles.

It's not clickbait, that's ridiculous. The essence of the article is the results of the investigation. NHSTA has a process, they investigated and issued a recall. The fact that it can be fixed OTA doesn't change the intent of what's happening. I mean, at what point does the first comment stop being, "It's not a recall!" Who cares.

I'm more interested in the obvious questions, like: does the update actually make anything safer? If it's so easy, why didn't Tesla do it on their own?

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From the article: > Tesla began issuing an “over-the-air software remedy” to certain vehicles on Tuesday, safety officials said. The remaining vehicles will receive software updates later, and all updates will be free for the cars’ owners. I was confused as to why Tesla needs to "recall" when they can do OTA update. The title is misleading surprise

It's because the NHTSA forced them into a safety related "recall". It's not just a regular OTA update. Tesla has a long history of being dishonest about Autopilot capabilities and dangers, and it's killed several people so far. The NHTSA is forcing them to make some tweaks. (Not arguing that autopilot is on the whole any more or less safe than human drivers. Just that Tesla has a history of misrepresentation.)

> It's because the NHTSA forced them into a safety related "recall". It's not just a regular OTA update.

And how does this "recall" work? Is it physically taking the car to a branch to apply the update? I'm curious to know.

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The NYT is more than capable of making a clear headline. These are not stupid people. But they do have goals.

what do you think their goals are? where do they get them?

I actually dont think this article/headline is that egregious. But in general anything having to do with Musk/Tesla is going to be put in a negative light. And I think we all know why. Election season, twitter ownership, etc etc.

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Note: “tesla recalls” == “tesla pushes OTA software update (just like any regular OTA update)”

From the article: > Tesla began issuing an “over-the-air software remedy” to certain vehicles on Tuesday, safety officials said. The remaining vehicles will receive software updates later, and all updates will be free for the cars’ owners. I was confused as to why Tesla needs to "recall" when they can do OTA update. The title is misleading surprise

Because it’s a legally mandated thing. You know, because Tesla lies about bugs, features, and safety issues all the time.
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