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Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#101

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That's an emergency maneuver where you are trying to land an out of control vehicle, don't really see how it applies to the above scenario. So no its still not safe but neither is having no brakes.

A door opening on the highway is an emergency scenario, too. The car is correct to go “what the fuck?!”

Not. As pointed out, opening and re-closing isn't uncommon, especially in winter.

Stop defending nannyfying conditioning.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#102
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The details are scant, but it sounds like the vehicle is going to be quicker to disable autopilot if it thinks you aren’t paying attention. I’m curious to see what this amounts to because Autopilot is already pretty sensitive to this. Pick up your phone or look away from the road for more than a few seconds and the in-cabin car notices and warns you. I don’t know of a comparable system in any car with self driving or…

So it's basically lane assist + cruise control but stops working if you look away? I'm not going to pay 7500 €/$ for that. The whole purpose of self-driving for me would be to be able to stretch my arms or do something small on my phone every now and then. I'm totally fine if the car is uber careful and drives super slow or parks on the shoulder if it is not 100% sure what to do, and I'm also fine if it says "Attenti…

This article and discussion are specifically regarding base autopilot, not FSD.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#103
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What exactly is the issue? That the guy has been recklessly opening his car door, while driving it, at speed, for his entire life?

The issue is that its not safe to activate the emergency brake at highway speeds. It seems like an anti-safety feature.

I read a little about this system on jeeps. It seems to only happen under 1 mph, and stems from previous novel (faulty ux) shifter designs that led people to be run over by their own cars.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#104

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I wonder if this is a cultural difference. When I was a kid, because people did this all the time for various reasons. It's less common now (or at least, in the circle of people who ride in my car it is), especially with better door ajar sensors, but still a situation in which if it happened in my car I would guess the door hadn't been shut all the way and they were just closing it. As a teenager/20s in the 90s/00s,…

what about windows?

Everyone tries the window at least once :-D

Unless you are truly an expert spitter and the car is not moving, then spitting out the window is going to end up streaking the tobacco juice all across the exterior of the car. If the rear window is open, it might even go onto the back seat of the car. If you aren't moving then it will usually land somewhat vertically on the body of the car, or straight back (horizontally) if you're moving fast. It's always super tempting to try, but nearly impossible to pull off

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#105

We should either stop calling these recalls, or news sites should announce iOS and Android updates in a similar manner also > Apple is recalling 45 Brazilion iPhones and iPads to fix software flaw

A recall has a specific, legal / liability definition, regardless how it is logistically being adressed.

Hint: Not everything is SV-like "we'll fix it in production"...

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#106

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A door opening on the highway is an emergency scenario, too. The car is correct to go “what the fuck?!”

Not. As pointed out, opening and re-closing isn't uncommon, especially in winter. Stop defending nannyfying conditioning.

> As pointed out, opening and re-closing isn't uncommon, especially in winter.

Where is this pointed out? Opening and closing the doors at highway speed is not common, winter or otherwise.

I'm fine with "nannifying" cars when it gets these results. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_U...

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#107

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This reenforces my instinct to buy the dumbest thing on the market.

Lada Niva

If you can buy one from 30 years ago kept in a collection. With current ones you have some parts that are still built like a tank, but other parts just fall apart. You can't buy dumb AND quality cars outside of the maker/restoration scene.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#108
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is the issue? That the guy has been recklessly opening his car door, while driving it, at speed, for his entire life?

The issue is that its not safe to activate the emergency brake at highway speeds. It seems like an anti-safety feature.

The issue is someone is used to the way an old system operated and expects a new system to operate the same way. My mother has no clue that the spinning circle is a "system thinking" icon, but if it were an hourglass it would make immediate sense.

News at 11.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#109
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The details are scant, but it sounds like the vehicle is going to be quicker to disable autopilot if it thinks you aren’t paying attention. I’m curious to see what this amounts to because Autopilot is already pretty sensitive to this. Pick up your phone or look away from the road for more than a few seconds and the in-cabin car notices and warns you. I don’t know of a comparable system in any car with self driving or…

Who picks up their phone while driving? Or looks away for a few seconds? If you're driving 80 kph and looks away for three and a half second, that's basically 80 meters of movement where you didn't see anything. Just crazy.

Lots of American drivers do exactly that. I’m guilty of it.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#110

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On the other hand, a couple of days ago I set the parking brake and absentmindedly walked out of a car with the automatic transmission still in reverse ... fortunately the brake held, I was behind the car going "huh, funny, the reverse lights are on ... oh, **!"

Yeah agreed, I'm not against all safety features. That one seems like a pretty straight forward safety solution though. If an auto transmission is still in gear, the parking break is on, and the key fob has left the vehicle, I think an attention-getting noise is appropriate in that case.

Both my 2013 and 2014 cars will loudly announce the car is still in gear if you open the door at any speed, including stopped.
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