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Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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From this article [0] in October of 2023"...Autopilot have been involved in more than 700 crashes, at least 19 of them fatal, since its introduction in 2014..." [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/t...

With everyone on their phones now while driving, I wonder if cat photos have killed more.

Fortunately, cats usually aren't given control over a steering wheel :)

Tesla software is.

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That's an emergency maneuver where you are trying to land an out of control vehicle, don't really see how it applies to the above scenario. So no its still not safe but neither is having no brakes.

A door opening on the highway is an emergency scenario, too. The car is correct to go “what the fuck?!”

Couldn't disagree more. Slamming on the brakes is an absolute last ditch maneuver at speed and shouldn't come about because the car gets a lil confused.

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The details are scant, but it sounds like the vehicle is going to be quicker to disable autopilot if it thinks you aren’t paying attention. I’m curious to see what this amounts to because Autopilot is already pretty sensitive to this. Pick up your phone or look away from the road for more than a few seconds and the in-cabin car notices and warns you. I don’t know of a comparable system in any car with self driving or…

So it's basically lane assist + cruise control but stops working if you look away? I'm not going to pay 7500 €/$ for that. The whole purpose of self-driving for me would be to be able to stretch my arms or do something small on my phone every now and then. I'm totally fine if the car is uber careful and drives super slow or parks on the shoulder if it is not 100% sure what to do, and I'm also fine if it says "Attention! You have to take over in 15 seconds or something bad happens." But having the option to not pay attention for a couple of minutes is the whole point of self-driving for me. Unless they get that working on the Autobahn (maybe just in good weather, no congestion, reasonable speeds) it's just a toy.

Edit: meant "self-driving" as opposed to theoretical FSD.

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If that the case, perhaps you should feel that way every time you are near a road. Without commenting on autopilot performance, there are enough drivers who are worse. Maybe autopilot just helps you realize that you are not really fully in control about everything that may happen.

I've been driving with other people on the road for years. People might be worse on average but at least they don't get a firmware update that could potentially kill you.

No, they just get drunk instead.

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That's an emergency maneuver where you are trying to land an out of control vehicle, don't really see how it applies to the above scenario. So no its still not safe but neither is having no brakes.

A door opening on the highway is an emergency scenario, too. The car is correct to go “what the fuck?!”

Door/window sensors aren't infallible -- they're quite literally a wear item in most variants.

It's absolutely ridiculous to use such a signal to direct vehicle handling dynamics and control aspects.

source : I was a mechanic at a dealership as a young person for many years, and I replaced an untold amount of door switches as warranty work -- but back then the most that they did was annoy the driver with an intermittently lit cabin rather than brake-stomping.

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Agreed. I heard a story about a guy who is used to chewing tobacco while driving and would crack open the door and spit while moving at speed. He tried doing this in his son's new jeep and the car immediately slammed on the brakes and nearly caused an accident. Obviously cracking the door to spit out the bottom isn't too safe but slamming on the brakes? What why?

Because that's gross?

i'd rather people break personal habits without involving the rest of the highway.

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A door opening on the highway is an emergency scenario, too. The car is correct to go “what the fuck?!”

I wonder if this is a cultural difference. When I was a kid, because people did this all the time for various reasons. It's less common now (or at least, in the circle of people who ride in my car it is), especially with better door ajar sensors, but still a situation in which if it happened in my car I would guess the door hadn't been shut all the way and they were just closing it. As a teenager/20s in the 90s/00s,…

what about windows?

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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The details are scant, but it sounds like the vehicle is going to be quicker to disable autopilot if it thinks you aren’t paying attention. I’m curious to see what this amounts to because Autopilot is already pretty sensitive to this. Pick up your phone or look away from the road for more than a few seconds and the in-cabin car notices and warns you. I don’t know of a comparable system in any car with self driving or…

Who picks up their phone while driving? Or looks away for a few seconds? If you're driving 80 kph and looks away for three and a half second, that's basically 80 meters of movement where you didn't see anything. Just crazy.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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A door opening on the highway is an emergency scenario, too. The car is correct to go “what the fuck?!”

I wonder if this is a cultural difference. When I was a kid, because people did this all the time for various reasons. It's less common now (or at least, in the circle of people who ride in my car it is), especially with better door ajar sensors, but still a situation in which if it happened in my car I would guess the door hadn't been shut all the way and they were just closing it. As a teenager/20s in the 90s/00s,…

it's not a great habit, but i've routinely witnessed people in sports cars crack the door open for additional clearance to manipulate their belts or adjust their seats, then quickly re-closing the door -- my point being that this kind of thing isn't absolutely exclusive to people chewing tobacco, and the car stomping the brakes or whatever is clearly under-thought.

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2023 Toyota Sienna

https://www.justanswer.com/toyota/mb45v-own-23-toyota-coroll... > Start by sitting in the driver's seat and closing the door. Buckle your seat belt. Turn the ignition to the "On" position without starting the engine. Within a few seconds of turning the ignition on, unbuckle and then re-buckle your seat belt three times, making sure each action is completed quickly. After the third buckle action, keep the seat belt bu…

My goodness, seriously? Just another reason to hold on to youngtimers..
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