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Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#81

I really wonder where we're headed (in general, not specifically with Teslas) regarding technologies requirements to "do enough to prevent misuse." These requirements are already a major thorn in my side. My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus o…

This reenforces my instinct to buy the dumbest thing on the market.

Lada Niva

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#82

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2023 Toyota Sienna

https://www.justanswer.com/toyota/mb45v-own-23-toyota-coroll... > Start by sitting in the driver's seat and closing the door. Buckle your seat belt. Turn the ignition to the "On" position without starting the engine. Within a few seconds of turning the ignition on, unbuckle and then re-buckle your seat belt three times, making sure each action is completed quickly. After the third buckle action, keep the seat belt bu…

Whoa, interesting thanks I'll give that a try

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#83

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The issue is that its not safe to activate the emergency brake at highway speeds. It seems like an anti-safety feature.

Isn’t it recommended in a brake failure situation? Car to neutral, engage emergency brake.

That's an emergency maneuver where you are trying to land an out of control vehicle, don't really see how it applies to the above scenario. So no its still not safe but neither is having no brakes.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#84

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Isn’t it recommended in a brake failure situation? Car to neutral, engage emergency brake.

That's an emergency maneuver where you are trying to land an out of control vehicle, don't really see how it applies to the above scenario. So no its still not safe but neither is having no brakes.

A door opening on the highway is an emergency scenario, too. The car is correct to go “what the fuck?!”

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#85

I really wonder where we're headed (in general, not specifically with Teslas) regarding technologies requirements to "do enough to prevent misuse." These requirements are already a major thorn in my side. My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus o…

Agreed. I heard a story about a guy who is used to chewing tobacco while driving and would crack open the door and spit while moving at speed. He tried doing this in his son's new jeep and the car immediately slammed on the brakes and nearly caused an accident. Obviously cracking the door to spit out the bottom isn't too safe but slamming on the brakes? What why?

Because that's gross?

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#86

We should either stop calling these recalls, or news sites should announce iOS and Android updates in a similar manner also > Apple is recalling 45 Brazilion iPhones and iPads to fix software flaw

This is simply what it's called when car companies do these kinds of fixes. Nobody is singling Tesla out here.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#87

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> My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus on driving when there is a blaring alarm in your face. What make and model is this?

2023 Toyota Sienna

Duly noted. The fact that I'd feel like I have to test various beeping noises before buying a new car is just insane

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#88
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unrelated, but does anyone else start to panic in autonomous vehicles? Every time I have been in a Tesla with autopilot on I immediately feel dread and and impending doom and I get very anxious.

If that the case, perhaps you should feel that way every time you are near a road. Without commenting on autopilot performance, there are enough drivers who are worse. Maybe autopilot just helps you realize that you are not really fully in control about everything that may happen.

I've been driving with other people on the road for years. People might be worse on average but at least they don't get a firmware update that could potentially kill you.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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That's an emergency maneuver where you are trying to land an out of control vehicle, don't really see how it applies to the above scenario. So no its still not safe but neither is having no brakes.

A door opening on the highway is an emergency scenario, too. The car is correct to go “what the fuck?!”

I wonder if this is a cultural difference. When I was a kid, because people did this all the time for various reasons. It's less common now (or at least, in the circle of people who ride in my car it is), especially with better door ajar sensors, but still a situation in which if it happened in my car I would guess the door hadn't been shut all the way and they were just closing it. As a teenager/20s in the 90s/00s, having tobacco spit and realizing you forgot your cup was a semi-common reason to do that. The alternative (assuming you weren't so classless as to spit on the floormat) was to swallow the spit which is really terrible for you.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#90

I really wonder where we're headed (in general, not specifically with Teslas) regarding technologies requirements to "do enough to prevent misuse." These requirements are already a major thorn in my side. My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus o…

This reenforces my instinct to buy the dumbest thing on the market.

Maybe I will buy that Mitsubishi Mirage after all.
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