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GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by tivert »

szundi wrote: post #102
andsoitis wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla software experience far outshines CarPlay and Android Auto.

In those specific usecases that it implements. Also navigation makes idiotic moves lately.

I do not own a Tesla, but I've seen videos that told me that you pretty much have to use it's in car navigation system, for good reason: it factors in your route to give you an accurate range estimate, otherwise the estimates can be (significantly) off. That's important given that even the best electric cars have shorter range than gas cars, and there are far fewer recharging options than there are refueling options.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by jwells89 »

valgaze wrote: post #88

July 2022: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... Not sure how they arrived at the number (maybe only new vehicles), but there was a claim that 79% of US carbuyers would insist on carplay support Apple engineering manager Emily Schubert said 98% of new cars in the U.S. come with CarPlay installed. She delivered a shocking stat: 79% of U.S. buyers would only buy a car if it supported CarPlay.…

I certainly would insist on it. CarPlay and its Android counterpart are a far sight better than the infotainment systems the majority of cars ship with to begin with, plus they won’t have problems like their navigation data becoming outdated with updates costing money.

My car dash should be the “dumb TV” to my phone’s “streaming box”.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by dntrkv »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #36
alsodumb wrote: post #3

Wait, so they're saying CarPlay and Android Auto are buggy on their cars, most likely because of their errors in getting the mirroring part right, so instead of fixing the issues, they think switching to their in-house system that they will design from scratch, that'll probably have hundreds of bugs, that's most likely gonna suck, is a better option? They could've just said we're out of excuses we just want to make m…

What makes you think they design it in-house? Automotive companies outsource most of this software to third parties at bottom-feeder rates on a hard delivery deadline. They don’t know how to produce good software like this. Every aspect of the process is the antithesis of what is required to have quality software come out the other side. I have my issues with CarPlay but the OEM software is hot garbage by comparison.

It's hilarious just how bad OEM car software is. One of those many moments in my day to day that I realize how bad 90% of software we interact with is absolute trash.

ATM machines, credit card readers, parking meters, TVs, microwaves, ovens (really any appliances), phone trees, any kiosks, etc.

If the device registers my touch within 500ms that's usually enough to impress me at this point.

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Post by viraptor »

threatofrain wrote: post #19
ungamedplayer wrote: post #4

Call it what it is.. they like the control of their in car entertainment systems and they don't want external companies taking that part of the pie. It's okay gm, we understand. Let's hope you are able to make a compelling competition to this, otherwise your sales will suffer. Traditional car software is very very poor for whatever reason. I don't think that car manufacturers have the mindset and capability to make e…

Unfortunately consumers don't really punish companies for doing these kinds of things, at least I presume that's the story since high-end cars often have very shitty in-car computer experiences, like BMW or Porsche.

Punish how? What can I do after I bought a car which I intend to drive for at least the next 10 years?

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Post by lostmsu »

nichos wrote: post #54
beretguy wrote: post #14

So, they will completely remove infotainment system/touchscreen and replace it with physical buttons? Right? Right?

GM is one of the few manufacturers that still has physical buttons for almost everything (climate, volume,etc)

Few? Which ones (apart from Tesla) don't?

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Post by alexvoda »

andsoitis wrote: post #98
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is the exception here: they seem to have mastered making a car software experience that doesn’t suck, and they don’t even support CarPlay. But Tesla is a tech/software company that happens to make cars (of dubious build quality), I don’t think conventional automakers can replicate that.

Tesla software experience far outshines CarPlay and Android Auto.

Wake me up when you can open the glove compartment without drilling down a menu on a touchscreen because that is certainly not what I call good UI.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by Der_Einzige »

jrsj wrote: post #18

If this was actually about safety they would just get rid of the touch screen entirely. You really don't even need a display at all anymore, HUD + physical controls could cover all essential functions.

If it were up to me, I'd mandate that all cars are required to have a HUD. HUDs are insanely useful, mainly because it doesn't require the driver to take their eyes off the road for directions or for checking their speed.

Elon refusing to put a HUD in the tesla's is one of the reasons why he shouldn't be the CEO of anything, let alone a car company.

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Post by helf »

brandonagr2 wrote: post #61
KerrAvon wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All car infotainment systems are essentially garbage. But BMW and Porsche both have excellent CarPlay support.

The infotainment screen in my Tesla is great. Just the other day I had to drive a relatives car and used google maps navigation on my phone, I was amazed at how subpar google maps navigation is compared to tesla (lacking ability to quickly overview route, missing lane based navigation, screen never auto recenters as you drive)

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Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by andruby »

verhaust wrote: post #124
andsoitis wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla software experience far outshines CarPlay and Android Auto.

Can you give examples of this? I was recently looking for a car and saw the discounts and credits for a Tesla and thought it was finally time to go electric. Then I started researching the interface and saw so many people talking about how clunky it was and they decided to just use bluetooth with their phone to listen to music rather than the interface or even worse hacks where they setup a web server on their phone…

My personal opinion:

1. The navigation works really well for me. Including routing via superchargers

2. The UX of not needing a key. The bluetooth phone key works so much more reliably than other car manufacturers (n=1)

3. The screen is very responsive. Touch UI is fast.

4. The backup and side camera view is the best I’ve seen on cars.

5. Record the last X minutes from all cameras when you honk (someone backed into my car and it’s nice to have easy access to the video footage via the usb stick)

6. Auto defogging.

7. Heating and de-icing the car from the app when I’m having breakfast.

8. Autosteer (the free included one) works surprisingly well. It handles more roads and situations than I’ve seen on other manufacturers

9. Auto detect different drivers from the phone key and sets their seat/steering/settings (and even their spotify account)

There’s dozen more small things that show the attention to detail that some car manufacturers also have in their hardware but almost never have in their software.

It’s not all perfect (eg the Spotify app could be better) but it’s a lot better than any other car or rental I’ve been in, including carplay).

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Post by nneonneo »

overgard wrote: post #71
MBCook wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. I got my first car with CarPlay in 2015. That’s 8 years ago. iPhones are always faster than the infotainment systems in cars due to development cycles and cost. Now my iPhone is eight years newer than the one that was already better than my car. So it’s obviously faster. Apple has delivered numerous new features in those eight years, the car never received a single update. That wasn’t even an ability on the car.…

I dunno, I got my first car with Car Play a year ago. I'm not super impressed. It's buggy and slow and the interface is clunky. It's better than using my phone directly, barely, but I still would have bought the car if it didn't have it. All I really want is music and maps anyway, and I can just get a cheap phone mount for my dashboard like I did with my old car so I don't have to look down at it.

Out of curiosity, which manufacturer? I suspect that CarPlay quality varies a lot by manufacturer; e.g. it sounds like GM really never tried very hard to get their CarPlay implementation to work well.
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