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GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by catchnear4321 »

threatofrain wrote: post #19
ungamedplayer wrote: post #4

Call it what it is.. they like the control of their in car entertainment systems and they don't want external companies taking that part of the pie. It's okay gm, we understand. Let's hope you are able to make a compelling competition to this, otherwise your sales will suffer. Traditional car software is very very poor for whatever reason. I don't think that car manufacturers have the mindset and capability to make e…

Unfortunately consumers don't really punish companies for doing these kinds of things, at least I presume that's the story since high-end cars often have very shitty in-car computer experiences, like BMW or Porsche.

with there being a limited number of auto manufacturers, with the general consensus seeming to be that consumers should own increasingly nothing and increasingly like it, there aren’t many alternatives.

which is why it becomes less and less crazy to imagine apple offering a car subscription - might as well, they have the payment platform and the customers have already spent their anger on the incumbents. not that apple is alone.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by epistasis »

mgarfias wrote: post #16

you know whats unsafe? Getting rid of physical buttons and putting everything on a touch screen with no tactile feedback and constantly changing the position of things - looking at you tesla. All things considered though: im not likely to buy any new car. I'd rather buy an old and busted early 70s boat, and stuff in modern running gear.

I was sort of convinced by this argument, theoretically, until I actually experienced the alternative.

I've had a Toyota for four years now with all physical switches, but the complexity and number of controls is absolutely mind bogging large. I can't operate these physical switches without looking at inscrutable, small labels in awkward places. A centralized screen which allows clear view of the road at the same time is much safer than stalks with arrays of switches that have 4+ settings. At least when I'm operating it.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by MBCook »

antoniuschan99 wrote: post #17

I went ahead and googled if tesla uses android auto or carplay and apparently it doesn’t either. Neither does Rivian.

Tesla absolutely refuses for some reason.

Rivian has said they might add it later, but they didn’t seem to think it was enough of a priority over everything else they were doing. That’s somewhat understandable.

If I was in the market for a car, they would both be a no-go though because of that. I like CarPlay too much.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by nichos »

beretguy wrote: post #14

So, they will completely remove infotainment system/touchscreen and replace it with physical buttons? Right? Right?

GM is one of the few manufacturers that still has physical buttons for almost everything (climate, volume,etc)

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by MBCook »

system7rocks wrote: post #13

I like Apple CarPlay. I like that it simplifies things and I don't have to login with my Google account. But, the head unit I have is super laggy, because it is just a dumb android tablet. Imagine an iPad with an M1 processor. Gosh it would rock.

It really shouldn’t matter much. My 2016 car wasn’t laggy with CarPlay. I promise you that thing wasn’t fast.

Or are you using wireless? I don’t know if other vehicles are better but the only times I’ve gotten to try wireless CarPlay the lag drove me nuts. If I plugged it in instead it was great.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by mullingitover »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #30
antoniuschan99 wrote: post #17

I went ahead and googled if tesla uses android auto or carplay and apparently it doesn’t either. Neither does Rivian.

In almost every car I turn the screen as close to off as possible and just use my phone for navigation and music. The Tesla is the only exception: Their software is good enough to use rather than automatically ignore.

Ehh, hard disagree. I rented a Tesla for a few days. I didn't have time to spend an hour learning their UX before driving off in it, and I expected the Coca Cola of EVs to have intuitive controls. Huge mistake, I came away with the impression that Teslas are designed by people who don't actually drive cars, and I was thrilled to get back to Carplay and sane Honda ergonomics.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by MBCook »

xnx wrote: post #44
internet2000 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've done that. That's what this is about.

Ah, thanks. I assumed GM was just using Android Auto, I didn't realize they had models that used Android Automotive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Automotive#Vehicles_wi...

They’re using that as the base of their system. But they are still disabling Android Auto and CarPlay despite the fact it works perfectly. Other car makers have proven that.

They appear to think that using Android Automotive will give them access to a good App Store (?) and thus things will be good enough for people.

I await the fallout.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by MBCook »

KerrAvon wrote: post #32
mattmaroon wrote: post #11

Yeah, bullshit. You know what’ll really many people just pick up their device? Whatever second-rate voice to text GM licenses from god knows who. Or all the things GM’s software can’t do because iOS won’t let them. I wouldn’t buy a GM car anyway since they’re consistently low quality (they’re the Detroit Lions of auto making) so I won’t act like they just lost my business, but I especially wouldn’t buy one after they…

I’ve been pretty impressed with the Bolt for the price. It’s a shame the next generation one won’t be on my list due to lack of CarPlay.

I agree. I’ve had them as rentals before, they’re pretty amazing.

The latest is the Bolt appears to be dead, only the Bolt EUV will survive.

But it doesn’t matter. Like you the lack of CarPlay makes it a non-starter and I wouldn’t recommend it in the future to anyone for the same reason.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by bigtunacan »

My last 3 cars have all supported Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. First a Honda, then a GM, now a Hyundai.

All three had some issues with cord becoming disconnected. In all cases this was a car manufacturer problem because they aren't giving enough thought to the sizes of the phone and how they will lay in the inadequately sized phone compartments.

I had periodic Android Auto crashes on the GM. Since it was only on the GM I chalk it up to bugs on GM's side.

If they can't even properly integrate to the Android Auto standard why on earth would I believe they can build an entire enfotainment center that is safe, stable, and anywhere equivalent to Apple Carplay or Android Auto?

Ridiculous. I hope they enjoy not getting any of my money in the future.

GM stock short coming in hot.

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