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If the car company makes me pay for another subscription to get Nav data or stream music then by default the infotainment system is not good enough. I’m tired of companies thinking just because I bought their product I’m ok with another ~$20/mo subscription service.
I won’t consider a car that doesn’t support CarPlay. This is going to backfire on Gam big time.
9to5mac polled their (obviously biased) audience and 80% said they wouldn’t consider a car without CarPlay. I wonder how Android Auto users feel since GM’s software is basically going to be their own hard baked version of AA… all your settings will probably sync but I think I’d still rather just plug my phone in and let it handle my data.
And then they'll only support it for a few years, while anyone with a car supporting Android Auto or CarPlay will continue to get a better experience as their phones get updated.
(Also: still annoyingly confusing that Android Auto and Android Automotive are two completely different things.)
The major advantage of AA/CP is they are simple screen projection protocols capable of being supported for decades. The "brains" of the system, namely the phone, can be easily upgraded as technology changes. People will get new phones. Operating systems will be upgraded. Apps will come and go. Maps will update. The system will keep working flawlessly. This can't happen with fixed hardware in vehicle - the firmware an…
iPhones are always faster than the infotainment systems in cars due to development cycles and cost.
Now my iPhone is eight years newer than the one that was already better than my car. So it’s obviously faster. Apple has delivered numerous new features in those eight years, the car never received a single update. That wasn’t even an ability on the car.
As John Gruber is a fan of saying, the phone eats everything. You can’t compete with it. It has better specs, it gets updated more often, it’s more customized to the user. It has better connectivity (I’m not paying $30 a month or whatever to give my car cellular service).
It has the apps I want to use, not the ones who gave the car company a payoff. If I have to get a rental car on a vacation, all my same stuff is right there.
GM will suffer. I’m curious how long it takes them to reverse this. Just one year? Or more? I’m willing to bet a nontrivial number of people just flat walk out of dealerships when they hear the car they’re looking at doesn’t have CarPlay (or Android Auto).
GM should go the other direction and ditch their software entirely in favor of Android Automotive.
They've done that. That's what this is about.
Call it what it is.. they like the control of their in car entertainment systems and they don't want external companies taking that part of the pie. It's okay gm, we understand. Let's hope you are able to make a compelling competition to this, otherwise your sales will suffer. Traditional car software is very very poor for whatever reason. I don't think that car manufacturers have the mindset and capability to make e…
I mean, GM doesn’t seem to have a reputation for building the best, most reliable vehicles as it is — even just looking at domestics (factor in imports, and there’s no comparison). Every time I shop for a vehicle, it’s crazy how GMs are almost universally lower rated than all other vehicles.
I mean, maybe they have cost on their side, but they better hope that and brand loyalty is all they need.
Maybe this was once not a major factor, and maybe it’s still not for some. But I’d say the number of people that don’t care about CarPlay or Android Auto is shrinking.
The major advantage of AA/CP is they are simple screen projection protocols capable of being supported for decades. The "brains" of the system, namely the phone, can be easily upgraded as technology changes. People will get new phones. Operating systems will be upgraded. Apps will come and go. Maps will update. The system will keep working flawlessly. This can't happen with fixed hardware in vehicle - the firmware an…
Nothing about “Operating systems will be upgraded. Apps will come and go. Maps will update.” says “The system will keep working flawlessly.” - if anything, the system will accumulate flaws.
I wonder what this will do to their fleet sales. Rental companies probably won't be thrilled about customers turning up their noses at GM vehicles that don't have Carplay. I wouldn't be surprised if they have to start renting them at a discount.
Wait, so they're saying CarPlay and Android Auto are buggy on their cars, most likely because of their errors in getting the mirroring part right, so instead of fixing the issues, they think switching to their in-house system that they will design from scratch, that'll probably have hundreds of bugs, that's most likely gonna suck, is a better option? They could've just said we're out of excuses we just want to make m…
This way they can wrap the errors in try..catch blocks and suppress their output. Boom - error free code!
On Error Resume Next.
No need to wrap anything. You declare it once and cruise to your solution.
“Essentially, the thinking is that if a car’s in-built infotainment system is good enough, drivers will be less likely to use their phone for what they’re trying to do while they’re behind the wheel” If the car company makes me pay for another subscription to get Nav data or stream music then by default the infotainment system is not good enough. I’m tired of companies thinking just because I bought their product I’m…
Everyone knows they lost that battle
> drivers will be less likely to use their phone for what they’re trying to do
If you’re trying to claim safety, saying that your thing that no one has seen that was developed by a company that doesn’t know what they’re doing and probably runs way too slow is safer than the thing the customer is already used to seems like a stretch.
For safety you want people not to do it in the first place. But that’s not an argument for making them use your software is it?
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This is just so incredibly blatantly self-serving. It’s like a two-year-old telling you they won’t ruin their dinner by eating five more cookies. They couldn’t even come up with a plausible reason?
I’m with you. I don’t need to pay for a cellular connection for my car. I don’t need to pay $200 a year for map updates. I don’t need to pay $20 a month for SiriusXM when I already have a streaming subscription on my phone.
Nothing they want to sell us is something we want. Maybe that’s what they should fix first.
IF a someone was able to make something better than CarPlay or Android Auto then you don’t need to cut them off. People will choose to use your better system even with AA/CP available.
IF.