Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

Post by andsoitis » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 4:41 PM UTC

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>> don't go down well in Europe. > Exactly. This is about our entire model under threat. And it will be Tesla's Afghanistan. Membership in unions is the norm in Sweden. Unionization rates differ significantly across European countries. While the unionization rate in the Sweden is quite high at 65.2% (as of 2019), it is much lower in Germany at 16.3% and even lower in France at 8.9%. https://www.statista.com/statistic…

I was specifically speaking about the Nordic Model of which I am a member and a citizen. I could have been more clear but by "my" I meant as a citizen of a country participating in the Nordic Model. What the rest of Europe does is up to them. Unions are foundational to our (Scandinavia's) way of life. This fight ends with Tesla either agreeing to our model or losing our entire market.

Post by gruez » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 4:46 PM UTC

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> Can you realistically have a vote to stop paying taxes or to smoke weed? This is inevitably going to turn into a quibble about whether representation and/or the electoral college constitutes "true" democracy, so I'm going to head that off by amending my previous comment to be at the state level (rather than the federal level). There's several states that had ballot measures on tax increases and/or marijuana legaliz…

> In those cases it would be strange to characterize the dissenters as not being "forced" into anything, even if it was a collective decision. Okay, I see, but then you could also leave your Union for zero cost. You could leave your US citizenship too, I guess, by moving. But my point is I think forcing is far too strong a word for the union meanings here. Why wouldn't you support this if you benefit from the Swedish…

Post by jacquesm » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 4:57 PM UTC

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That's a good question almost every major international business struggles with. As far as I know, the usual answers are paying the required bribes quietly and refusing to do business in that culture. The third option, trying to do business without paying bribes, rarely works.

I'll argue a point I don't really agree with, namely that in this case bribes are fair. Coiuntries are sovereign. Foreigners don't decide, that's a key outcome of the thirty years' war. So if you go to X, the polite, proper, non-imperialist thing is to follow accepted custom. Of course, that raises the question of what "accepted custom" means. It's not clear to me that bribing is really accepted in the countries wher…

Post by jacquesm » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 5:02 PM UTC

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It will affect you either way. It is difficult to tell exactly how but a union win will embolden the unions in Sweden general, and it is not certain that is an all out win. I realize that embolden is not a neutral word, but what is on the other side of the balance scale is investments in new jobs in Sweden vs elsewhere. Perhaps the balance will still be a net benefit to Sweden but we will see. I would have an easier…

The fact that it will affect me either way is kind of my point in saying this is not just IF Metall vs Tesla. I consider a union win to be the best outcome here.

Post by pydry » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 5:15 PM UTC

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Tesla has refused to negotiate for over 5 years.

With who though? Not their workers. Can you cite coverage of the "union busting" activities you're talking about?