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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by oska »

lawn wrote: post #498
oska wrote: post #496

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Thanks for that link. I wasn't aware that he suspended journalists at that time. However, I do note that they were only suspended and not banned. And this is consistent with what he has said on a number of occasions, that people might get 'timeouts' (in this case for doxing) but he's against permanent bans. Just checked two of the accounts (Ryan Mac, @RMac18 and Aaron Rupar, @atrupar) named in the article and they ar…

Here's one that has been permanently banned: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/04/elon-musk-twitter-st...

Ok, this particular case is interesting and certainly looks concerning.

Checked his handle [1] and yeah, it's still "suspended" over 6 months later. And while it only says "suspended" there, according to this thread [2], the message he originally got was that he had been "permanently suspended", which does imply a ban. And is also somewhat disingenuous because a suspension should imply temporality.

Appreciate you providing the link. Perhaps I've been living in a bit of a bubble because I hadn't heard of this.

[1] https://twitter.com/dellcam

[2] https://twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1648785112748662784

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by oska »

operatingthetan wrote: post #497
oska wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for that link. I wasn't aware that he suspended journalists at that time. However, I do note that they were only suspended and not banned. And this is consistent with what he has said on a number of occasions, that people might get 'timeouts' (in this case for doxing) but he's against permanent bans. Just checked two of the accounts (Ryan Mac, @RMac18 and Aaron Rupar, @atrupar) named in the article and they ar…

>I do note that they were only suspended and not banned. This distinction is meaningless until someone is un-suspended.

Certainly if you are suspended you should be told the time period the suspension will last for, yes.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by fellerts »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #364
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #286

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I will say there are a lot of teslas in Norway. For years they were one of the most popular cars sold due to generous tax breaks. https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-model-y-wins-crushing...

> here are a lot of teslas in Norway Scandinavia (and to a lesser degree the Nordic countries) is rich, capitalist and early adopting. This not only makes them a valuable market for Tesla. It also represents a threat if they exit. That market, alone, could enable a competitor to scale their EV production through the valley of death.

> rich, capitalist and early adopting

That's certainly a factor, but at least in Norway the government was quick to offer various incentives for EV (less fees, free use of bus lanes and so on) making it the largest early adopter of EVs in general (and Teslas in particular for the reasons you mentioned).

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by robertlagrant »

actionfromafar wrote: post #440
robertlagrant wrote: post #370

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Yes, but they're the ones citing it. I don't understand their response in light of that.

Now you made me read the link. :-D It defines the concept pretty well, which is somewhat valuable, but has few citations, which is unfortunate.

The only clear citation of this definition of "sympathy strikes" is... the current Tesla issue :)

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Post by johngladtj »

appleskeptic wrote: post #415
fragmede wrote: post #332

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To my knowledge, healthcare workers at Kaiser Permanente of California haven't burned any buildings down or had a brawl in the middle of the parking lot. The Starbucks workers strike was also non-violent. The most recent Writers guild of America strike didn't seem violent to me, but maybe that's Hollywood. The Oakland teachers union strike also didn't result in bloodshed as far as I know, but also it's Oakland.

He means cases where management is accused of violence against the strikers.

Exactly

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by actionfromafar »

robertlagrant wrote: post #504
actionfromafar wrote: post #440

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Now you made me read the link. :-D It defines the concept pretty well, which is somewhat valuable, but has few citations, which is unfortunate.

The only clear citation of this definition of "sympathy strikes" is... the current Tesla issue :)

Yes.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by johngladtj »

hooverd wrote: post #214
johngladtj wrote: post #168

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I find it funny how in every example I have ever seen of "companies oppressing poor workers on strike" every single time the workers started it by doing illegal and wrong things, and attempting to force the company to give in by force. Every. Single. Time. If someone can give me one example where the poor oppressed strikers were 100% in the right and did not actually start with the violence or credible threat of viol…

Ah, so strikers not being 100% perfect victims justifies it. Got it.

I'm not saying they have to be 100% victims, but if you start off by violently assaulting people I'm not going to say that the people stopping you from doing so by force are in the wrong for doing so.

If you want to say a company was evil for sending armed goons to break up a group of armed goons assaulting people or destroying stuff, then you're just plain in the wrong.

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Post by robertlagrant »

actionfromafar wrote: post #477
robertlagrant wrote: post #457

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Tesla isn't breaking a collective agreement.

This is true and I upvoted your comment. Tesla, welcome to a free country where the state doesn't interfere. Truly a Rand-ian paradise. ;-)

Pretty sure Rand would say that if you join a company on a certain employment basis, you shouldn't then decide it's suddenly not good enough. But I haven't read any of her books, so I won't claim that very strongly!

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Post by freedomben »

bee_rider wrote: post #143
freedomben wrote: post #56

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Some people I know despise their unions and union leadership. How would you structure it so that people aren't forced to support a union they hate?

The same way we avoid forcing people to support companies they hate. People can always quit if they want.

This strikes me like the people who (after a big contentious election AKA every election) tell the people whose candidate lost, "if you don't like it, move to another country"

Except I think switching trades (which you would have to do since the union is all encompassing and forces membership) is a lot more onerous than emigrating, and emigration is no slice of cake.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by mxsjoberg »

ReflectedImage wrote: post #473
mxsjoberg wrote: post #188

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People are just tools for unions too.

Irrelevant, the workers get more pay if they have an union. The unions are no more corrupt than the business itself.

> workers get more pay if they have an union

No.

> unions are no more corrupt than the business itself

No way.

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