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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by lawn »

henry2023 wrote: post #248

Unions are simply like GPOs[^1] but with the most valuable asset in any organization. Their workers. It baffles me to read anti-union comments from fellow tech-workers. It's so clear that unions give back a tiny bit of negotiation power into your own hands and yet people side with the exec whose only purpose is to extract as much value from the organization as possible. You are supporting the "competitive labor wage…

> It baffles me to read anti-union comments from fellow tech-workers.

Tech workers is one of the most well-paid and privileged working classes on the planet.

We have it so good that we don't need the extra bargaining power unions provide.

It's not surprising, we humans have a hard time understanding circumstances that are very different from our own.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by jacquesm »

carlosjobim wrote: post #489
jacquesm wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can spend wall after wall of text but 'Decades ago' invalidates your whole thesis.

No it doesn't, the practice is still exactly the same – as clearly stated on the union website in the article published in 2022. You're not even fooling yourself.

> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38565502

What he said.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by lawn »

oska wrote: post #488
lawn wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not compromising on principles Not compromising on free speech worked well... Until he started banning journalists from Twitter.

Which journalists has he banned from Twitter/X ?

Just look up the events surrounding ElonJet.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by oska »

lawn wrote: post #493
oska wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which journalists has he banned from Twitter/X ?

Just look up the events surrounding ElonJet.

Doesn't answer my question.

I would actually like to know if there have been any. I'm quite open to criticising things that he has actually done, and have made criticisms of him plenty of times. But I'm not aware of any journalists that he's kicked off twitter/X. The closest to such a scenario that I'm aware of is him (so far) not allowing Alex Jones back on, but he didn't actually kick him off.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by lawn »

oska wrote: post #494
lawn wrote: post #493

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just look up the events surrounding ElonJet.

Doesn't answer my question. I would actually like to know if there have been any. I'm quite open to criticising things that he has actually done, and have made criticisms of him plenty of times. But I'm not aware of any journalists that he's kicked off twitter/X. The closest to such a scenario that I'm aware of is him (so far) not allowing Alex Jones back on, but he didn't actually kick him off.

It's not that hard to Google.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512004/elon-musk-start...

> Twitter has suspended the accounts of several prominent reporters who cover Elon Musk, including Ryan Mac of The New York Times, CNN’s Donie O’Sullivan, The Washington Post’s Drew Harwell, The Intercept’s Micah Lee, and Mashable’s Matt Binder, Aaron Rupar, and Tony Webster.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by oska »

lawn wrote: post #495
oska wrote: post #494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't answer my question. I would actually like to know if there have been any. I'm quite open to criticising things that he has actually done, and have made criticisms of him plenty of times. But I'm not aware of any journalists that he's kicked off twitter/X. The closest to such a scenario that I'm aware of is him (so far) not allowing Alex Jones back on, but he didn't actually kick him off.

It's not that hard to Google. https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512004/elon-musk-start... > Twitter has suspended the accounts of several prominent reporters who cover Elon Musk, including Ryan Mac of The New York Times, CNN’s Donie O’Sullivan, The Washington Post’s Drew Harwell, The Intercept’s Micah Lee, and Mashable’s Matt Binder, Aaron Rupar, and Tony Webster.

Thanks for that link. I wasn't aware that he suspended journalists at that time. However, I do note that they were only suspended and not banned. And this is consistent with what he has said on a number of occasions, that people might get 'timeouts' (in this case for doxing) but he's against permanent bans. Just checked two of the accounts (Ryan Mac, @RMac18 and Aaron Rupar, @atrupar) named in the article and they are active today.

I would like to know if there are any journalists he has permanently banned. As used to happen quite often on twitter, pre-Musk acquisition.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by operatingthetan »

oska wrote: post #496
lawn wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that hard to Google. https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512004/elon-musk-start... > Twitter has suspended the accounts of several prominent reporters who cover Elon Musk, including Ryan Mac of The New York Times, CNN’s Donie O’Sullivan, The Washington Post’s Drew Harwell, The Intercept’s Micah Lee, and Mashable’s Matt Binder, Aaron Rupar, and Tony Webster.

Thanks for that link. I wasn't aware that he suspended journalists at that time. However, I do note that they were only suspended and not banned. And this is consistent with what he has said on a number of occasions, that people might get 'timeouts' (in this case for doxing) but he's against permanent bans. Just checked two of the accounts (Ryan Mac, @RMac18 and Aaron Rupar, @atrupar) named in the article and they ar…

>I do note that they were only suspended and not banned.

This distinction is meaningless until someone is un-suspended.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by lawn »

oska wrote: post #496
lawn wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that hard to Google. https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512004/elon-musk-start... > Twitter has suspended the accounts of several prominent reporters who cover Elon Musk, including Ryan Mac of The New York Times, CNN’s Donie O’Sullivan, The Washington Post’s Drew Harwell, The Intercept’s Micah Lee, and Mashable’s Matt Binder, Aaron Rupar, and Tony Webster.

Thanks for that link. I wasn't aware that he suspended journalists at that time. However, I do note that they were only suspended and not banned. And this is consistent with what he has said on a number of occasions, that people might get 'timeouts' (in this case for doxing) but he's against permanent bans. Just checked two of the accounts (Ryan Mac, @RMac18 and Aaron Rupar, @atrupar) named in the article and they ar…

Here's one that has been permanently banned: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/04/elon-musk-twitter-st...

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by eddtries »

robertlagrant wrote: post #457
eddtries wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm saying that it's not a strike if you're just refusing service to a customer. > is you downing tools and stopping working. These aren't exclusive, it's just they've downed tools and stopped working for the customer the strike is against. People don't join unions for their employer, they join unions for their industry. Therefore a union can strike against an employer while maintaining working for those not breaki…

Tesla isn't breaking a collective agreement.

You're right, I didn't write my original point very well. I'll blame it on Covid and rambling from bed lol.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by MrSkelter »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #103
eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

Allowing the government owned post office to pick and choose who gets mail just seems like a step too far. But even then the court wasn't forcing them to deliver mail, just allowing that mail to be picked up. And now that's blocked? I just don't understand how one entity can have this much power, in this case they essentially are the government they could demand whatever the hell they wanted. Your choice is to leave…

Post Nord is not government run. It’s a private company which serves multiple countries. People seem to have very confused ideas about Swedish institutions.
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