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Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by onion2k »

pachico wrote: post #289

I never broke a phone, not even scratched the screen but I feel force to buy a new one every 3 years because they become obsolete (I guess apps require more and more memory to the point I cannot have two open at the same time, which kills my ability to pay online). I bought a Framework laptop for the same reason and I successfully managed to upgrade it, not repair it! Is there a phone that allows me to upgrade over t…

Is there a phone that allows me to upgrade over time and not only fix it?

Turning off app updates would have the same impact if you're right about the increasing memory requirements.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by frabcus »

singleshot_ wrote: post #147
system2 wrote: post #103

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This is why people buy iPhone. Unless you drop it from a speeding car, it won't cause any issues for 4-5 years at least.

I have an iPhone 11 Pro. The back is made out of glass which is easily breakable. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why, because behind the glass is an opaque piece of aluminum. The glass broke on the third day I had the phone when I tossed it from knee height on to a folded up sweatshirt that was sitting on a rug on a tile floor. Oh, actually, I guess I do know why an opaque part of a thousand dollar phone is m…

This happened to me too. Every committed iPhone user told me - you should have used a case! Ummm... What's the point of a phone being beautiful and thin if I then anyway have to make it large with a case? It was a bad piece of design.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by boudin »

alain94040 wrote: post #191
pwagland wrote: post #182

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Per person, it's not. But if you have 3 billion people changing their phones every 3 years, that's a billion phones per year. Assuming that the average phone weighs 100g, that's 100 million tons of phones per year. In the aggregate, it adds up a lot.

Is your math wrong by order of magnitudes? I try to visualize the amount of waste I generate every year and try to imagine one cell phone next to it. Doesn’t feel very significant.

The waste is not just the end product but all the waste and environmental impact producing it.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by k__ »

pachico wrote: post #289

I never broke a phone, not even scratched the screen but I feel force to buy a new one every 3 years because they become obsolete (I guess apps require more and more memory to the point I cannot have two open at the same time, which kills my ability to pay online). I bought a Framework laptop for the same reason and I successfully managed to upgrade it, not repair it! Is there a phone that allows me to upgrade over t…

I noticed two ways.

Either you don't get any updates and at one point you can't use any app because it's outdated.

Or you get all updates and at one point you can't use any apps, because your phone became unbearably slow.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by pachico »

onion2k wrote: post #291
pachico wrote: post #289

I never broke a phone, not even scratched the screen but I feel force to buy a new one every 3 years because they become obsolete (I guess apps require more and more memory to the point I cannot have two open at the same time, which kills my ability to pay online). I bought a Framework laptop for the same reason and I successfully managed to upgrade it, not repair it! Is there a phone that allows me to upgrade over t…

Is there a phone that allows me to upgrade over time and not only fix it? Turning off app updates would have the same impact if you're right about the increasing memory requirements.

I wish I could simply run 3 year old apps. In many cases I am not allowed, especially the bank ones, which are the ones that I cannot run in the background as the OS kills them.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by imp0cat »

binkHN wrote: post #31
Buxato wrote: post #26

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1. Always sad for me to know how much popular are wireless chargers, wasting 47% more energy aprox for charging the same as a wired charger. https://debugger.medium.com/wireless-charging-is-a-disaster-... (too much catastrophic conclusions in this article but that percentage is real, you could check it in another tests, articles, whatever ..) 2. Totally agree with that, if camera is fundamental for you maybe not the…

> Always sad for me to know how much popular are wireless chargers, wasting 47% more energy aprox for charging the same as a wired charger. The energy waste is a shame, but the convenience factor is mighty high, not to mention the wear and tear on your USB-C port is non-existent. Maybe one point for less USB cable waste and tossing perfectly good phones just because their USB ports are damaged?

You can get one of those magnetic adapters if you worry about your USB-C port that much.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by pachico »

k__ wrote: post #294
pachico wrote: post #289

I never broke a phone, not even scratched the screen but I feel force to buy a new one every 3 years because they become obsolete (I guess apps require more and more memory to the point I cannot have two open at the same time, which kills my ability to pay online). I bought a Framework laptop for the same reason and I successfully managed to upgrade it, not repair it! Is there a phone that allows me to upgrade over t…

I noticed two ways. Either you don't get any updates and at one point you can't use any app because it's outdated. Or you get all updates and at one point you can't use any apps, because your phone became unbearably slow.

Yup, that's what I'm dealing with and it sucks.

I am typing this from a phone that I am already considering replacing for this very same reason although it does everything well and I looks brand new (rubber case, screen protection, etc.).

I understand phones are harder to upgrade because space is very limited but the e-waste we're generating (and the money impact) seems something that needs to be addressed.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by imp0cat »

sbierwagen wrote: post #208
gruez wrote: post #145

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>This is why I never use fast charging, avoid wired charging in general Wireless charging isn't a silver bullet either. It generates tons of waste heat, which is also bad for batteries. I'm also not sure why you're so against wired charging, especially since you have to go out of your way and pay a premium for fast charge capable chargers. If you buy a bog standard 5W/10W charger, you're not fast charging. If you plu…

>go out of your way and pay a premium for fast charge capable chargers If you're on the road and using your laptop's USB-C charger to charge your phone then it'll easily supply enough power for the fastest charge mode of any phone.

Yeah, it could supply 60W or even more. But it won't, because most people who care about this stuff set both the charging rate limit and max battery percentage limit in the phone's settings and don't worry about it anymore.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by _8j50 »

asadotzler wrote: post #137
circuit10 wrote: post #87

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I don’t think many people would want to carry two devices instead of one

Imagine it's one device but when you pull it out of your pocket, you pull it in half and only slide out a touchscreen leaving the battery and other guts in your pocket. With some magnetic clips, it could be seamless to slide it back into your pocket to become the larger single brick again which it stays as you take it all out at night to plug in and charge.

Yeah, two pieces of one device. Could even be an arm band with the detachable display.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by trenchgun »

pachico wrote: post #289

I never broke a phone, not even scratched the screen but I feel force to buy a new one every 3 years because they become obsolete (I guess apps require more and more memory to the point I cannot have two open at the same time, which kills my ability to pay online). I bought a Framework laptop for the same reason and I successfully managed to upgrade it, not repair it! Is there a phone that allows me to upgrade over t…

There should not be a need. There is enough performance, and it has plateaued.
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