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Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by toastercat »

izacus wrote: post #44
iandanforth wrote: post #11

I'd buy one if it had a headphone jack!

Would you reeeaaally? If you really wanted a phone like this, you'd just get the tiny USB-C to Jack adapter. How much of a chance that you'd find some other detail that's not ok if it had a jack?

1. Many USB-C jack adapters are poor quality.

2. USB-C adapters are one extra thing to carry around and easy to lose or forget, unless you just never unplug it, which is cumbersome

3. Many people who were born before the year 2005 (me included) have wired headphones that they prefer and have used for years that still work fine and have the sound quality and comfort that fit our needs.

4. Outside of the smart phone world, 3.5mm audio jacks are still very common and not obsolete

5. Bluetooth is cumbersome on many phones and headphones, introduces latency, and affects audio quality

I wouldn't buy a phone just because it had a headphone jack, but it's definitely a draw for me when a phone does (+ a removable battery or expandable storage, but HN is probably gonna tell me those things are obsolete as well).

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by asadotzler »

toast0 wrote: post #66
izacus wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you reeeaaally? If you really wanted a phone like this, you'd just get the tiny USB-C to Jack adapter. How much of a chance that you'd find some other detail that's not ok if it had a jack?

I've had phones where I needed a USB-C to jack adapter, and I'm not buying another one. I don't often use headphones with my phone, but 95% of the time, I'm on a plane and I'd like to stay charged while I watch my movie. It's also really easy to leave the dongle on the plane, so that's annoying too.

plenty of split dongles that do power and audio, right?

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by toastercat »

mikece wrote: post #12
iandanforth wrote: post #11

I'd buy one if it had a headphone jack!

How many current phones have a headphone jack? When I upgraded from my Pixel 4a to the 6a (both running Graphene OS) I never noticed that the headphone jack was "missing" because I use a Bose bluetooth headset. And when I want to route the audio through my car speakers? Oh... I have a USB-C pigtail splitter which allows for power to be passed through another UBS-C port and connection to the car audio system through a…

> Seriously: who needs a headphone jack anymore?

People born before the year 2005 who don't throw away perfectly working electronics when a new shiny alternative comes around the corner.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by VoxPelli »

throwaway81523 wrote: post #96

It sounds nuts that they reorganized the phone to increase the battery size from 3900mah to 4200mah. Also this phone is too expensive to be a practical device rather than a statement. Someone please just make a straightforward phone powered by replaceable 18650s dammit. If it runs AOSP out of the box then great.

With a 7-10 year lifespan it’s only the initial cost that may be big, the cost over time is much less and the resell value once one upgrades also holds up much better over time

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

GuB-42 wrote: post #83
gruez wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>1. Always sad for me to know how much popular are wireless chargers, wasting 47% more energy aprox for charging the same as a wired charger. https://debugger.medium.com/wireless-charging-is-a-disaster- ... (too much catastrophic conclusions in this article but that percentage is real, you could check it in another tests, articles, whatever ..) The percentage value looks bad but how much is that in absolute terms? Us…

Maybe it is, but we are talking about the Fairphone. A phone that the company pitches as more eco-friendly than the competition. Lacking a feature that is known to be wasteful in terms of energy is fitting. Maybe it is negligible, but I suspect that in the grand scheme of things, the whole "fair trade" thing is negligible too, it didn't stop the company from building on that. At least, it sends a good message.

What’s the environmental cost of USB charging assuming wear on the cable? I seem to naturally go through one per year, I have a friend whose pets love to destroy cables so I assume they go through more.

Electricity can be solar, meaning that it could be close enough to zero environmental impact - think 20 years from now when we’ve got our crap together when it comes to sustainable energy..

Edit: a point below comments on increased battery wear which I fully agree with.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by asadotzler »

circuit10 wrote: post #87
_8j50 wrote: post #20

My vision of the future is that there won't be smartphones just wireless touch screens that link to a small computer that stays in your pocket, charging area or linked to a bigger computer but never interfaced with directly, just a small smartphone like box and you can access apps and data at your home compute box (think mac studio) tailscale style. I'd like to day dream that a modern day steve jobs somewhere is alre…

I don’t think many people would want to carry two devices instead of one

Imagine it's one device but when you pull it out of your pocket, you pull it in half and only slide out a touchscreen leaving the battery and other guts in your pocket. With some magnetic clips, it could be seamless to slide it back into your pocket to become the larger single brick again which it stays as you take it all out at night to plug in and charge.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by harry8 »

antoinebalaine wrote: post #114
maegul wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I’m completely out of the loop on the whole de-googling your Android phone thing. How workable is it today and how well would it work on a phone like this?

If you're OK with switching from gapps, a de-Googled android works just fine. I've had to keep a spare googled-android around for the rare occasions I need to use lyft and Uber. That's it.

Yep, yet another thing captured. Now if you want take a taxi you have the choice of iphone, android and nothing else. Add that to the lengthy list of modern life you're excluded from (including the govt!) if you exercise your supposed choice not to us apple or google.

The turnkey is right there, who will turn it?

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by yellow_lead »

onli wrote: post #94
redder23 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VERY ironically just do NOT buy a fucking Google phone to un-google it. I really really like the Grahpene OS project but its a damn shame that is does only support Pixels and not Fairphones or phones that are at least privacy supporting from the manufacturers end. I think "hardware security" of Google phones sounds nice on paper but you never know if these is some NSA chip or some other exploit build in that the Grap…

CalyxOS is a ROM with a similar focus and does support some more phones, including the FP4 and with the FP5 marked as upcoming, see the device list on https://calyxos.org/ . It is the more reasonable choice to GrapheneOS anyway, given their recent issues with developer behavior.

> It is the more reasonable choice to GrapheneOS anyway, given their recent issues with developer behavior.

What were these issues?

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by richwater »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #136
GuB-42 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it is, but we are talking about the Fairphone. A phone that the company pitches as more eco-friendly than the competition. Lacking a feature that is known to be wasteful in terms of energy is fitting. Maybe it is negligible, but I suspect that in the grand scheme of things, the whole "fair trade" thing is negligible too, it didn't stop the company from building on that. At least, it sends a good message.

What’s the environmental cost of USB charging assuming wear on the cable? I seem to naturally go through one per year, I have a friend whose pets love to destroy cables so I assume they go through more. Electricity can be solar, meaning that it could be close enough to zero environmental impact - think 20 years from now when we’ve got our crap together when it comes to sustainable energy.. Edit: a point below comment…

How terrible are people treating their cables? That number is insane to me.
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