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Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by rootusrootus »

mynameisash wrote: post #167
rootusrootus wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You tossed it onto a tile floor, and it broke. That's unfortunate, but not entirely a surprise no matter who manufactured the phone. Glass is glass.

>> tossed it from knee height on to a folded up sweatshirt that was sitting on a rug on a tile floor. > You tossed it onto a tile floor You seem to have intentionally omitted some pretty important information there.

Yeah, I guess I did. It would not break if it actually landed on a sweatshirt on a rug. That much is pretty obvious.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by rootusrootus »

singleshot_ wrote: post #203
rootusrootus wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You tossed it onto a tile floor, and it broke. That's unfortunate, but not entirely a surprise no matter who manufactured the phone. Glass is glass.

Sir, reading comprehension. The tile floor was separated from the device at all times by a rug and a folded up hooded sweatshirt. If I tossed it on a tile floor we would not be having this conversation.

I comprehended it, but I assume it's incorrect. It probably landed in the one spot that didn't have any meaningful separation from the tile floor. Or it wouldn't have broken.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by fomine3 »

calamari4065 wrote: post #76
Buxato wrote: post #26

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1. Always sad for me to know how much popular are wireless chargers, wasting 47% more energy aprox for charging the same as a wired charger. https://debugger.medium.com/wireless-charging-is-a-disaster-... (too much catastrophic conclusions in this article but that percentage is real, you could check it in another tests, articles, whatever ..) 2. Totally agree with that, if camera is fundamental for you maybe not the…

If you use fast wired charging, which most phones do, you're causing significant wear to the battery. With daily fast charging, I've seen phones chew through their battery in under a year. Conversely, the rather slow charge rate of wireless helps extend battery life quite a lot. This is why I never use fast charging, avoid wired charging in general, and limit my battery to 85% max charge. It's been three or four year…

Slow wired charging is the best. Just buy a dirt cheap USB-A to C cable.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by turquoisevar »

rtpg wrote: post #170
IMTDb wrote: post #158

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This is comparable to Apple timeline. The iPhone 6, released sept 2014 got a security update earlier this year.

comparable to the iOS stuff at least. I was a bit frustrated to find out that a 2015 MBP I had in a closet has been out of support for a while (I have very high doubts that there was any technical reason for the line drawing on that front). I really appreciate the iOS support window but it's messed up that their laptops ad desktops (which can last _so long_ and be useful!) just fall out of support despite still being…

> I was a bit frustrated to find out that a 2015 MBP I had in a closet has been out of support for a while (I have very high doubts that there was any technical reason for the line drawing on that front).

They’re talking about security updates. Your definition of support seems to be “latest bells and whistles with a major release.”

Your 2015 MBP was eligible for a Safari security update released last month and a macOS security update the month before[0].

This means your 2015 MBP receives similar support as the iPhone they mentioned.

We can argue if seven years of the “latest and greatest” is sufficient for a laptop before it is relegated to just security updates, but I don’t understand the lament.

It’s a capable machine, as you said, and it still ran great. If the manufacturer gives you all that was advertised at purchase and then some and then ensures it’s safe to use while not receiving new bells and whistles, how is that a demerit that causes frustration on your end?

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Post by dymk »

kwiens wrote: post #100
fancyfredbot wrote: post #80

I owned a fairphone 3. It was expensive but very easy to take apart and promised years of updates. Then it broke, after about 18 months. Fine, I thought, I'm glad I got a repairable phone. I'll just fix it, it'll be easy. I determined the problem was with the main logic board and found that a) a new one would cost much more than an entirely new, and more capable phone and b) it was out of stock. I just bought a new p…

Main board failures are hard, they'll kill just about any phone and it's pretty challenging to make the service part economically viable. For what it's worth, I don't know of any systemic problems / higher than usual error rates with the Fairphone 3 main board. You got unlucky. Consider giving them another shot sometime!

What’s the point of a repairable phone if parts are out of stock?

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Post by nilespotter »

redder23 wrote: post #63
maegul wrote: post #53

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So I’m completely out of the loop on the whole de-googling your Android phone thing. How workable is it today and how well would it work on a phone like this?

VERY ironically just do NOT buy a fucking Google phone to un-google it. I really really like the Grahpene OS project but its a damn shame that is does only support Pixels and not Fairphones or phones that are at least privacy supporting from the manufacturers end. I think "hardware security" of Google phones sounds nice on paper but you never know if these is some NSA chip or some other exploit build in that the Grap…

This is what I do, new Pixel 7 + GrapheneOS. Works great, I highly recommend it.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by turquoisevar »

hedora wrote: post #229
maegul wrote: post #53

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So I’m completely out of the loop on the whole de-googling your Android phone thing. How workable is it today and how well would it work on a phone like this?

I tried to switch from iOS to de-googled Anrdoid. Basic stuff is completely broken. Any app that uses Google location services had intermittent problems getting a GPS lock (it was a software problem, not a hardware problem, since things that just directly ask the GPS chip for the device's location worked just fine). Worse than that, most apps use random google stuff that they don't need, and the developers inevitably…

> Worse than that, most apps use random google stuff that they don't need, and the developers inevitably forget to check for NULL when they ask for the optional google service.

I say this as someone who's not a big fan of Google. If it's anything like iOS development, there’s a good chance it never dawned on them.

On iOS, there's a slew of things you want to check for as dev due to permissions and the like, but there's so much more we simply assume is there based on the frameworks Apple ships with the OS.

If ever there would be an option to de-Apple iOS, I wouldn't even know where to start to check for nil values, if only because Apple has significantly moved to abstract things away to make it easier on us, and they never allowed direct communication with components to begin with, everything runs through an Apple provided delegate.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by wwweston »

mikece wrote: post #12
iandanforth wrote: post #11

I'd buy one if it had a headphone jack!

How many current phones have a headphone jack? When I upgraded from my Pixel 4a to the 6a (both running Graphene OS) I never noticed that the headphone jack was "missing" because I use a Bose bluetooth headset. And when I want to route the audio through my car speakers? Oh... I have a USB-C pigtail splitter which allows for power to be passed through another UBS-C port and connection to the car audio system through a…

Bluetooth's downsides:

* Pairing UX is unreliable and has corner cases that even Apple hasn't solved and they're probably the best case. 1/8" is predictable and reliable (and doesn't require extra thought / kit to make sure you can power at the same time).

* Battery life isn't an issue for wired headphones.

* Latency is unacceptable for some use cases (mostly specialized audio), and sometimes audio quality is degraded too.

I like wireless audio, (especially for workout listening) but I miss the headphone jack on my original iphone 5 SE at least once a week.

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

richwater wrote: post #140
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #136

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What’s the environmental cost of USB charging assuming wear on the cable? I seem to naturally go through one per year, I have a friend whose pets love to destroy cables so I assume they go through more. Electricity can be solar, meaning that it could be close enough to zero environmental impact - think 20 years from now when we’ve got our crap together when it comes to sustainable energy.. Edit: a point below comment…

How terrible are people treating their cables? That number is insane to me.

Travel, among other things.

Wear on the phone side of the port should be considered too.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by fumeux_fume »

fancyfredbot wrote: post #80

I owned a fairphone 3. It was expensive but very easy to take apart and promised years of updates. Then it broke, after about 18 months. Fine, I thought, I'm glad I got a repairable phone. I'll just fix it, it'll be easy. I determined the problem was with the main logic board and found that a) a new one would cost much more than an entirely new, and more capable phone and b) it was out of stock. I just bought a new p…

With the incentives our economy is aligned to for things like phones, repairability will be a hard sell on a dollar to dollar basis with replacement. It's more about values than strict consumer cost.
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