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Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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gardenhedge wrote: post #436
dvsfish wrote: post #425

I did this at university. It was our first comp sci class ever, we were given raspberry pi's. We had no coding experience or guidance, and were asked to create "something". All we had to work with was information on how to communicate with the pi using putty. Oddly, this assignment didn't require us to submit code, but simply demonstrate it working. My group (3 of us) bought a moisture sensor to plug into the pi, and…

Is this cheating? It sounds like cheating and reflects quite poorly on you.

BS. The CEO of one of the largest public companies just did it and he is fine. Board and shareholders all happy.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by kamaal »

DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

>>Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch.

Of all the things, this.

I use both Google and Microsoft office products. One thing that strikes you is just how feature rich Microsoft products are.

Google doesn't look like is serious about making money.

I squarely blame rockstar product managers and OKRs for this. Not everything can be a 1000% profitable product built in the next quarter. A lot of things require small continuous improvement and care over years.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by raincole »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #37

I have used Swype texting since the t9 days. If I demoed swype texting as it functions in my day to day life to someone used to a querty keyboard they would never adopt it The rate at which it makes wrong assumptions about the word, or I have to fix it is probably 10% to 20% of the time However because it’s so easy to fix this is not an issue and it doesn’t slow me down at all. So within the context of the different…

> This is every product.

Except actual good ones, like ChatGPT or Gmail (by their time).

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by im3w1l »

10u152 wrote: post #432
dvsfish wrote: post #425

I did this at university. It was our first comp sci class ever, we were given raspberry pi's. We had no coding experience or guidance, and were asked to create "something". All we had to work with was information on how to communicate with the pi using putty. Oddly, this assignment didn't require us to submit code, but simply demonstrate it working. My group (3 of us) bought a moisture sensor to plug into the pi, and…

Related, I work with industrial control systems. We’d call this “smoke and mirrors”. Sometimes the client would insist on seeing a small portion of a large project working well before it was ready. They’d misunderstand that 90% of the bulk of the work is not visible to the user but they’d want to see a finished state. We’d set up a dummy HMI and have someone pressing buttons on it for the demo, and someone in the nex…

To me it sounds like a useful thing, for communicating your vision and getting early feedback on whether you are building the right thing. Like uh, a live action blueprint. Let's say the client is like "Email???? That's no good. It needs to be a text message". Now you have saved yourself the trouble of implementing email.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by theGnuMe »

whatever1 wrote: post #481
gardenhedge wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this cheating? It sounds like cheating and reflects quite poorly on you.

BS. The CEO of one of the largest public companies just did it and he is fine. Board and shareholders all happy.

I gleefully await Matt Levine’s article on AI demos as securities fraud.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by phire »

crazygringo wrote: post #201

Does it matter at all with regards to its AI capabilities though? The video has a disclaimer that it was edited for latency. And good speech-to-text and text-to-speech already exists, so building that part is trivial. There's no deception. So then it seems like somebody is pressing a button to submit stills from a video feed, rather than live video. It's still just as useful. My main question then is about the cup ga…

I'm ok with "edited for latency" or "only showing the golden path".

But the most impressive part of the demo, was the way the LLM just seemed to know when to jump in with a response. It appeared to be able to wait until the user had finished the drawing, or even jumping in slightly before the drawing finished. At one point the LLM was halfway though a response and then saw the user was now colouring the duck in blue, and started talking about how the duck appearing to be blue.

The LLM also appeared to know when a response wasn't needed because the user was just agreeing with the LLM.

I'm not sure how many people noticed that on a conscious level, but I positive everyone noticed it subconsciously, and felt the interaction was much more natural.

As you said, good speed-to-text and speech-to-text has already been done, along with multi-model image/video/audio LLMs and image/music generation. The only novel thing google appeared to be demonstrating and what was most impressive was this apparent natural interaction. But that part was all fake.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by lifthrasiir »

dvsfish wrote: post #425

I did this at university. It was our first comp sci class ever, we were given raspberry pi's. We had no coding experience or guidance, and were asked to create "something". All we had to work with was information on how to communicate with the pi using putty. Oddly, this assignment didn't require us to submit code, but simply demonstrate it working. My group (3 of us) bought a moisture sensor to plug into the pi, and…

I did this as well. I worked on a localized navigation system back when I was in a school, and unfortunately we broke all available GPS receivers in our hands over the course---that particular model of RS-232 GPS modules was really fragile. As a result we couldn't actually demonstrate a live navigation (and it was incomplete anyway). We proceeded to finish the GUI nevertheless, and then pretended that this is what you see during the navigation, but never actually ran the navigation code. It was an extracurricular activity and didn't affect GPA or anything, for the curious, but I remain kinda uneasy about it.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by dr_dshiv »

WWLink wrote: post #438
10u152 wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related, I work with industrial control systems. We’d call this “smoke and mirrors”. Sometimes the client would insist on seeing a small portion of a large project working well before it was ready. They’d misunderstand that 90% of the bulk of the work is not visible to the user but they’d want to see a finished state. We’d set up a dummy HMI and have someone pressing buttons on it for the demo, and someone in the nex…

the phrase I've heard is "dog and pony show" lol

Or “Wizard of Oz” — as a standard HCI practice for understanding human experience

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by atdaemon »

Animats wrote: post #10

The Twitter-linked Bloomberg page is now down.[1] Alternative page: [2] New page says it was partly faked. Can't find old page in archives. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-12-07/google... [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-12-07/google...

The report from TechCrunch has more details - https://techcrunch.com/2023/12/07/googles-best-gemini-demo-w...
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