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Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by x0x0 »

impulser_ wrote: post #416
DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

You bring up fumbles, but they still have the more products with more than a billion users than any company in the world. This is what Google has always cared about. Bring application to the billions of users. People are forgetting Google is the most profitable AI company in the world right now. All of their products use ML and AI. So who is losing? The goal of Gemini isn't to build a chatbot like ChatGPT despite Goo…

Sure, but I think Google's commanding marketshare is more at risk than it has been in a long time due to their fumbles in the AI space.

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Post by 10u152 »

dvsfish wrote: post #425

I did this at university. It was our first comp sci class ever, we were given raspberry pi's. We had no coding experience or guidance, and were asked to create "something". All we had to work with was information on how to communicate with the pi using putty. Oddly, this assignment didn't require us to submit code, but simply demonstrate it working. My group (3 of us) bought a moisture sensor to plug into the pi, and…

Related, I work with industrial control systems. We’d call this “smoke and mirrors”. Sometimes the client would insist on seeing a small portion of a large project working well before it was ready. They’d misunderstand that 90% of the bulk of the work is not visible to the user but they’d want to see a finished state.

We’d set up a dummy HMI and have someone pressing buttons on it for the demo, and someone in the next room manually driving outputs and inputs to make it seem like it was working. Very common.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by IanCal »

crazygringo wrote: post #201

Does it matter at all with regards to its AI capabilities though? The video has a disclaimer that it was edited for latency. And good speech-to-text and text-to-speech already exists, so building that part is trivial. There's no deception. So then it seems like somebody is pressing a button to submit stills from a video feed, rather than live video. It's still just as useful. My main question then is about the cup ga…

Audio input that's not text in the middle and video input are two things they made a big deal out of. Then they called it a hands on demo and it was faked.

> My main question then is about the cup game, because that absolutely requires video.

They did it with carefully timed images, and provided a few examples first.

> I'm assuming so, and that it generates audio outputs for the music sections as well

No, it was given the ability to search for music and so it was just generating search terms.

Here's more details:

https://developers.googleblog.com/2023/12/how-its-made-gemin...

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Post by asadotzler »

kokanee wrote: post #383
crazygringo wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> surgically precise ethnic/gender diversity What does that mean and why is it bad? Diversity in marketing is used because, well, your desired market is diverse. I don't know what it means for it to be surgically precise, though.

I imagine the commenter was calling out what they perceived to be an inauthentic yet carefully planned facade of diversity. This marketing trend rubs me the wrong way as well, because it reminds me of how I was raised and educated as a 90s kid to believe that racism was a thing of the past. That turned out to be a damaging lie. I don't mean to imply that companies should avoid displays of diversity, I just mean that…

You'd prefer the alternative with just a few white guys in the picture and no consideration given at all to appearing diverse?

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Post by michaelt »

jonplackett wrote: post #402

OK I get that everyone’s hype sensitive and I absolutely remain to be convinced on Gemini’s actual ability BUT The fact this wasn’t realtime or with voice is not the issue. Voice to text could absolutely capture this conversation easily. And from what I’ve seen Gemini seems quicker than GPT4 Being able to respond quicker and via voice chat is not actually a big deal. The underlying performance of the model is what we…

I disagree.

One of the major issues in LLMs is the economics; a lot of people suspect ChatGPT loses money on every user, or at least every heavy user, because they've got a big model and A100 GPUs are expensive and in short supply.

They're kinda reluctant to have customers, with API rate limits galore, and I've heard people claiming ChatGPT has lost the performance crown having switched to a cheaper-to-run model.

If google had a model that operated on video in realtime, that would imply they've got a model that performs well, and is also very fast or that their 'TPUs' outperform the A100 quite a bit, either of which would be a big step forward.

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Post by gardenhedge »

dvsfish wrote: post #425

I did this at university. It was our first comp sci class ever, we were given raspberry pi's. We had no coding experience or guidance, and were asked to create "something". All we had to work with was information on how to communicate with the pi using putty. Oddly, this assignment didn't require us to submit code, but simply demonstrate it working. My group (3 of us) bought a moisture sensor to plug into the pi, and…

Is this cheating? It sounds like cheating and reflects quite poorly on you.

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Post by trash_cat »

I geniounly don't understand why this comes as a surprise. If it was a realtime video with realtime responses it would have been some other generational leap beyond transformers. Not only that, it would somehow deal with video + audio with smaller latency than the current SOTA model? Cmon...

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Post by WWLink »

10u152 wrote: post #432
dvsfish wrote: post #425

I did this at university. It was our first comp sci class ever, we were given raspberry pi's. We had no coding experience or guidance, and were asked to create "something". All we had to work with was information on how to communicate with the pi using putty. Oddly, this assignment didn't require us to submit code, but simply demonstrate it working. My group (3 of us) bought a moisture sensor to plug into the pi, and…

Related, I work with industrial control systems. We’d call this “smoke and mirrors”. Sometimes the client would insist on seeing a small portion of a large project working well before it was ready. They’d misunderstand that 90% of the bulk of the work is not visible to the user but they’d want to see a finished state. We’d set up a dummy HMI and have someone pressing buttons on it for the demo, and someone in the nex…

the phrase I've heard is "dog and pony show" lol

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Post by gardenhedge »

hot_gril wrote: post #339
Slackwise wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhh, no, not really; quite the opposite in fact. Under Eric Schmidt they were engineer-driven, during the golden era of the 2000s. Nowadays they're MBA driven, which is why they had 4 different messaging apps from different product managers.

Lack of top-down direction is what allowed that situation. Microsoft is MBA-driven and usually has a coherent product lineup, including messaging. Also, "had." Google cleaned things up. They still sometimes do stuff just cause, but it's a lot less now. I still feel like Meet using laggy VP9 (vs H.264 like everyone else) is entirely due to engineer stubbornness.

The same Microsoft that squandered MSN messenger and Skype and then brought us the abomination that is MS teams?

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Post by thewakalix »

gardenhedge wrote: post #436
dvsfish wrote: post #425

I did this at university. It was our first comp sci class ever, we were given raspberry pi's. We had no coding experience or guidance, and were asked to create "something". All we had to work with was information on how to communicate with the pi using putty. Oddly, this assignment didn't require us to submit code, but simply demonstrate it working. My group (3 of us) bought a moisture sensor to plug into the pi, and…

Is this cheating? It sounds like cheating and reflects quite poorly on you.

> It was our first comp sci class ever, we were given raspberry pi's. We had no coding experience or guidance, and were asked to create "something".

Garbage in, garbage out.

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