Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

Post by martin8412 » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 6:24 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #218

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> The only reason they have leverage is the law that gives Postnord a monopoly on delivering license plates Is that a law or an exclusive contract between the government and PostNord, given after bidding and a tender process as they call it in Europe and Asian countries? I think it's a contract, and contracts have exclusions in cases of forces majeures like strikes. Since the Transport Agency is required by law to pr…

> contracts have exclusions in cases of forces majeures like strikes Tesla can't call force majeure on a contract it isn't party to. If the Swedish government wanted to break the strike, it can--trivially. There is simply zero political will to do so.

Post by occz » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 6:26 PM UTC

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> In exchange the large employers force every employee to sign up for union membership. Sometimes the company itself signs the employee to the union, without any consent from the individual. This is not the case in Sweden. Maybe in the US?

I know for a matter of fact that it is the case in Sweden with some employers. They'll sign you up for the union without your consent and without informing you. Then the union in their turn will sign you up with insurance companies and other third parties without consent of information. Just a bill suddenly arriving in your mail that you have to pay.

Post by jansommer » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 6:29 PM UTC

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> If union membership is really the way of life in Sweden, is there anything preventing the government from a legislative solution? Nordic countries actually have relatively weak labour laws. What might be handled in legislation in US (e.g. minimum wage), is handled in collective bargaining agreements, that are negotiated between trade unions and employers' associations. And the trade unions and the employers' associ…

It's a very sweet deal for the unions and for large employers. The unions make sure to collectively "bargain" each year for extremely low pay raises and even for nominal pay cuts for their members. In exchange the large employers force every employee to sign up for union membership. Sometimes the company itself signs the employee to the union, without any consent from the individual. In exchange the unions get to col…

Post by martin8412 » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 6:33 PM UTC

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It's just one company that doesn't play ball so a full strike wouldn't be appropriate reaction, especially as employers' organization apparently isn't a participant here. Say, striking dockworkers can paralyze the whole economy, all sectors. It's not a step to be taken lightly.

It's not just one company "not playing ball". Spotify, with ten times as many affected employees in Sweden, also doesn't have an agreement. > It's not a step to be taken lightly. Well, there's no balancing downside to doing it this way. Workers still get paid. So they can do this pretty lightly, assuming their employers allow them to just discriminate against certain customers.

Post by martin8412 » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 6:34 PM UTC

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Don't know why this was downvoted.. This is not Postnord's decision, it's the workers, and the same workers at UPS or any other postal delivery service could do the same.

In theory that would not absolve the government from providing core services. For example, teachers can go on strike but children are guaranteed a primary education. It'd be the government's responsibility, not the individual citizen or business, to ensure core services enshrined in law are properly staffed.