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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by lucaspm98 »

l33tman wrote: post #158
kryptiskt wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Postnord is a bit of a red herring. If the tender to distribute the registration plates had gone to UPS instead, Tesla would have had exactly the same problem with UPS workers.

Don't know why this was downvoted.. This is not Postnord's decision, it's the workers, and the same workers at UPS or any other postal delivery service could do the same.

In theory that would not absolve the government from providing core services. For example, teachers can go on strike but children are guaranteed a primary education. It'd be the government's responsibility, not the individual citizen or business, to ensure core services enshrined in law are properly staffed.

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Post by [deleted] »

diego_sandoval wrote: post #210
eddtries wrote: post #129

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They will have to give in or close shop. Simply two options available. Musk is pretty irrational when it comes to backing down so I suspect the latter. I was just about to buy a new Tesla when this kicked off and don’t fancy the risk of having a car I can’t service, so shopped around and discovered other EVs can be just as good with better build quality nowadays! So that’s a nice outcome for me.

> Musk is pretty irrational when it comes to backing down What from the outside looks "irrational", from the inside may look like "not compromising on principles". Money is not the main variable that Musk is trying to maximize at this point.

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by yxhuvud »

robertlagrant wrote: post #98
bayindirh wrote: post #80

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Doesn’t matter. Even when you’re fully owned by a government, unionization allows you to do this. This is what unionization is, protects the worker regardless of your employer.

Unionization shouldn't be there to disrupt another company. It should be there so you can bargain against your employer. This seems really inappropriate.

And protection against that is one of the things a company gains by making a collective agreement with a union. Without such an agreement, it is a grand melee between companies and unions.

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Post by thecopy »

belltaco wrote: post #130
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #116

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> don't understand how one entity can have this much power...choice is to leave the country or agree to the demands of the postal service...eventually the post office will realize how much power they weild and use it for some other gain It's fairly constrained. They have leverage because the law gives Postnord a monopoly on delivering license plates. If they abuse that narrow power, it's trivial to take it away witho…

> The only reason they have leverage is the law that gives Postnord a monopoly on delivering license plates Is that a law or an exclusive contract between the government and PostNord, given after bidding and a tender process as they call it in Europe and Asian countries? I think it's a contract, and contracts have exclusions in cases of forces majeures like strikes. Since the Transport Agency is required by law to pr…

Its a law

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Post by BobaFloutist »

renewiltord wrote: post #174
bee_rider wrote: post #118

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If organizations (the unions) deciding not to do business with you is, by your definition, a “proxy legal system,” what do we have in the US? Proxy legal system of credit agencies and corporations? I’d take the unions I think.

One must read the whole thing to understand it. If certain organizations can just choose to not do business with you and the de jure system says that the only way to get a legally required document is through those organizations, then those organizations are a proxy legal system. This does not seem particularly controversial to me. Yes, credit agencies and banking approximate such a proxy in the US but the limits of…

I can't legally drive without car insurance, and insurance companies can just decide not to do business with me.

I can't get the service of TSA Pre without going through a private corporation that can easily decline to do business with me.

Our national parks are largely run by (private) concessionaires. While I've never been banned from a national park, I bet I could be de facto banned from, say, Yosemite by pissing off Aeromark enough, even if I didn't violate any law or do anything against park rules.

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Post by anonyfox »

Note that its simply a matter of principle here from elon musk. The union agreements wouldn't cost him more than he already pays. I don't think that elon actually is _dumb_ but I guess this is pure ideology getting in his way, especially that right wing capitalist propaganda shit.

Remember that the striking countries rank top in the world for nearly every metric that matters, they do have a point when they insist that something has to be a certain way.

At least elon really puts his money where is mouth is, this will have negative financial consequences... also norway is the posterchild of EV/tesla adoption in europe, making them angry could have cascading effects.

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Post by lawn »

timwaagh wrote: post #190
s0l1dsnak3123 wrote: post #121

Maybe - just maybe - Tesla should just give in instead of destroying their brand in the Nordics, which is what they are doing. The workers are in charge, and they are also the ones buying Teslas (Yes Americans, in Sweden/Denmark/Norway Teslas are affordable enough for normal people who are in unions because they are paid correctly). Maybe it's a good idea not to destroy your entire market while also destroying the me…

I do not for a second believe ordinary workers can outright buy Teslas in Sweden or Denmark.

Loans are easy to get. Plenty of "regular workers" here drive around expensive cars.

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Post by wharvle »

throwawa14223 wrote: post #220
wharvle wrote: post #206

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Are boards of directors unrelated parties you’re forced to associate with if you don’t want to severely limit your employment options?

The people the owners of the company have selected to run the company on their behalf are directly related to a company. I fail to see the similarity.

It’s a legally required body for many companies. It’s being imposed by law. Same as required unions would be.

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Post by Jochim »

eddtries wrote: post #194
mxsjoberg wrote: post #175

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> Maybe Tesla is the problem here. No, this is an issue for other smaller companies too (with less media coverage) > Maybe the rest of the world needs to catch up to the societal norms of Sweden when it comes to worker's rights. I hope not. I kind of want a flying car ASAP. Not never.

Hell yeah! Let's get those lazy workers on the lines working harder. Innovation and growth at all costs. Workers are cogs and if they're not behaving correctly they should be fixed or replaced. I, personally, am happy with a 21% illiteracy rate in America - workers don't need to be literate to make my flying cars faster. Sweden might rank top for happiness and health but that's not going to make my bank numbers get h…

> Sweden might rank top for happiness and health but that's not going to make my bank numbers get higher for my annual two week holiday.

The US seems to expect service workers to pretend to be happy in the hopes of receiving enough money to get by. Whereas the Nordics seem to take the approach of "let's make sure your service worker is happy" first and foremost.

The Nordic model seems more stable and less stressful for all parties involved.

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